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CallerNo6
hrm. "all songs written by Sly Stone and Sylvester Stewart"
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CallerNo6
so normally you'd use the "writer" rel since it's not specified.
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CallerNo6
But Sly Stone /is/ Sylvester Stewart.
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STalKer-X
hmp
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STalKer-X
there needs to be a musik-sammler import script
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bricas
do releases with different cover art variations need to be split out, or just added to the cover art section of 1 release?
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0:42 AM
STalKer-X
split
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0:43 AM
CallerNo6
bricas, usually differnt cover art indicates a different release. or is this a weird case?
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bricas
same release, just white/gray/black variations of art. when they're all together they spell a little phrase on the spines.
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bricas
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CallerNo6
weird case. still, I'd split them. it's the kind of thing collectors want to know.
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STalKer-X
a different release for each of them
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bricas
right-o! thanks.
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STalKer-X
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STalKer-X
and on the other hand, i don't see what is so bad about clustering.
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0:55 AM
STalKer-X
the guide disagrees with itself
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0:56 AM
STalKer-X
first, adding siblings required "moderation work", later it assumes that a false addition of a sibling goes through unnoticed.
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0:56 AM
CallerNo6
'moderation' in that context simply means editing the db
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0:57 AM
CallerNo6
but you're not the only one to think do-not-cluster is silly
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STalKer-X
well... adding a release already requires 10 or more "moderation work"
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1:01 AM
STalKer-X
ok, it's 5 edits per adding a release. if you don't count adding recordings.
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CallerNo6
I think the point is that sibling clusters are bad practice in dbs, vs. relating each sibling to the parents instead.
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1:04 AM
STalKer-X
most artists miss info anyway.
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1:05 AM
kurros
STalKer-X: probably nikki
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1:06 AM
STalKer-X
if it's an official guide, it should not contain personal stuff like "I" :)
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1:07 AM
STalKer-X
just as a "style guideline" from me ;p
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1:07 AM
STalKer-X
kuno is that "I", at least from the article history.
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1:22 AM
kurros
ah
2015-03-23 08253, 2015
1:26 AM
kuno
STalKer-X: I edited a lot of the style pages when we moved to NGS, but I don't think I wrote any of the clustering stuff.
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1:27 AM
STalKer-X
:)
2015-03-23 08259, 2015
1:27 AM
STalKer-X
added 25 releases today :<
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kurros
<#
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kurros
<3
2015-03-23 08246, 2015
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kurros
bah
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STalKer-X
just crap :)
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STalKer-X
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STalKer-X
sooo
2015-03-23 08258, 2015
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STalKer-X
"What a Life" should be put into the "The Answer" release group, according to the documentation?
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CallerNo6
that's my understanding
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1:50 AM
STalKer-X
crazy :)
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1:51 AM
STalKer-X
it's not even on discogs yet :x
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1:53 AM
kurros
its only been 16 years. give it time
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STalKer-X
i hate discogs
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STalKer-X
dadam
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STalKer-X
searched my stash and found 4 more "echoes of the underworld" ;D
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drsaunders
that do not cluster should not be an official guideline, it was created and auto approved by BrianFreud despite everyone being against the idea, why its still there in the documents i don't know but is not a rule in practice and has never been
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hibiscuskazeneko
I remember someone (possibly reosarevok) stating something to that effect, but I abide by it out of fear
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hibiscuskazeneko
Why did you bring this up, perchance?
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drsaunders
i didn't bring it up, i was reading upscroll and its a shame people believe a lie
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CallerNo6
I think it's sound in theory.
2015-03-23 08253, 2015
5:24 AM
CallerNo6
But I accept that it's silly in practice.
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5:40 AM
hibiscuskazeneko
Should I enter this as "***hole" or "Asshole"? The obi reads "asshole" (in katakana) but the disc and spine read "***hole"
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5:40 AM
hibiscuskazeneko
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CallerNo6
what do you usually do if the obi & cover don't agree?
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hibiscuskazeneko
go with the cover?
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hibiscuskazeneko
(normally that's for Japanese domestic artists)
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hibiscuskazeneko
and this is a special case
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hibiscuskazeneko
(with a censored title)
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CallerNo6
well, would it make more sense to have the title in katakana (putting aside the censored bit)?
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hibiscuskazeneko
no
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hibiscuskazeneko
Those are included for readability purposes
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5:51 AM
CallerNo6
ah. so a japanese site would list it in en/latin?
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5:51 AM
hibiscuskazeneko
some do, some don't
2015-03-23 08209, 2015
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hibiscuskazeneko
Many sites (e.g. Amazon) will list track titles in katakana so Japanese consumers can read them
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hibiscuskazeneko
That's the whole purpose of the transliterated obi
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CallerNo6
So an obi isn't meant to override the cover (like, say, an import might have a barcode sticker put over the original barcode)
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hibiscuskazeneko
no, it's not
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5:54 AM
hibiscuskazeneko
Sometimes artists will add additional subtitles in Japanese on the obi or other outer packaging (e.g. a sticker)
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CallerNo6
based on that, 'go with the cover' sounds reasonable.
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hibiscuskazeneko
That brings us back to the whole censorship issue
2015-03-23 08203, 2015
5:56 AM
hibiscuskazeneko
Wasn't there a guideline somewhere about this? (It seems fairly common.)
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CallerNo6
doesn't sound familiar, but maybe?
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hibiscuskazeneko
I remember this came up a few times in the past
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5:56 AM
derwin
502...
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CallerNo6
In my mind, either you go with the cover, censorship and all, or you decide that obis override the cover.
2015-03-23 08210, 2015
5:57 AM
CallerNo6
But that's just one opinion
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5:57 AM
derwin
man
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CallerNo6
right. that's just one opinion, man.
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5:58 AM
hibiscuskazeneko
:P
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hibiscuskazeneko
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5:59 AM
CallerNo6
\0/
2015-03-23 08223, 2015
6:01 AM
CallerNo6
I'd say "oh, maybe it's just the cover being bleeped-out for Walmart", but the disc is censored too.
2015-03-23 08259, 2015
6:01 AM
CallerNo6
So it kind of seems like that's the official title.
2015-03-23 08232, 2015
6:02 AM
CallerNo6
I wonder, would it have been possible to transl*te it on the obi, censorship and all, and still make the meaning clear?
2015-03-23 08220, 2015
6:03 AM
hibiscuskazeneko
Japanese people likely wouldn't know it was an expletive (or so the marketers thought, likely)
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6:03 AM
CallerNo6
right, understood
2015-03-23 08249, 2015
6:04 AM
CallerNo6
so, is there even a way to write "***hole" in katakana, in a way that readers would understand?
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6:05 AM
hibiscuskazeneko
maybe
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hibiscuskazeneko
usually when Japanese words are censored, they use ○ or ×
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CallerNo6
would the readers understand it as 'asshole'?
2015-03-23 08255, 2015
6:12 AM
CallerNo6
I've changed my mind. Just call the album 'grawlix' instead. That's my new opinon, man.
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6:20 AM
hibiscuskazenek1
For an English word, likely not
2015-03-23 08217, 2015
6:25 AM
CallerNo6
yeah, that's what I was getting at. maybe the obi un-censored it because it wouldn't have really made sense any other way?
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Nyanko-sensei
I'd add the katakanized version as a pseudo release to make searching easier if you have it as katakanized version atm
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hibiscuskazenek1
great, the "Add a new work" pop-up is hanging
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Freso
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Freso
drsaunders: ^
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Freso
hibiscuskazenek1: We generally prefer the "more complete/correct" over the "more prominent/used" version of a string (e.g., taking a more complete track title from the booklet rather than the backcover). (Re: "what do you usually do if the obi & cover don't agree?")
2015-03-23 08229, 2015
10:17 AM
hibiscuskazenek1
Right. The issue there was the censored title, and I was just using the obi as an example of where the title is uncensored.
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Freso
Yes.
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Freso
So the uncensored version would be the "more complete" one, so that is the one I would go with.
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10:30 AM
hibiscuskazenek1
even though both the outer packaging and the disc label use the censored title
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STalKer-X_c
good morning
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hibiscuskazenek1
good morning
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Freso
Yes.
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STalKer-X_c
omnomnom
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Freso could do with some pancakes too
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Freso
Or, y'know, just anything.
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