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hrm. "all songs written by Sly Stone and Sylvester Stewart"

so normally you'd use the "writer" rel since it's not specified.

But Sly Stone /is/ Sylvester Stewart.

hmp

there needs to be a musik-sammler import script

do releases with different cover art variations need to be split out, or just added to the cover art section of 1 release?

split

bricas, usually differnt cover art indicates a different release. or is this a weird case?

same release, just white/gray/black variations of art. when they're all together they spell a little phrase on the spines.

weird case. still, I'd split them. it's the kind of thing collectors want to know.

a different release for each of them

right-o! thanks.

me wonders, who this "I" is in this style guide: https://beta.musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Relation...

and on the other hand, i don't see what is so bad about clustering.

the guide disagrees with itself

first, adding siblings required "moderation work", later it assumes that a false addition of a sibling goes through unnoticed.

'moderation' in that context simply means editing the db

but you're not the only one to think do-not-cluster is silly

well... adding a release already requires 10 or more "moderation work"

ok, it's 5 edits per adding a release. if you don't count adding recordings.

I think the point is that sibling clusters are bad practice in dbs, vs. relating each sibling to the parents instead.

most artists miss info anyway.

STalKer-X: probably nikki

if it's an official guide, it should not contain personal stuff like "I" :)

just as a "style guideline" from me ;p

kuno is that "I", at least from the article history.

ah

STalKer-X: I edited a lot of the style pages when we moved to NGS, but I don't think I wrote any of the clustering stuff.

:)

added 25 releases today :<

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<3

bah

just crap :)

hah. there i have my answer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Answer_%28albu...

sooo

"What a Life" should be put into the "The Answer" release group, according to the documentation?

that's my understanding

crazy :)

it's not even on discogs yet :x

its only been 16 years. give it time

i hate discogs

dadam

searched my stash and found 4 more "echoes of the underworld" ;D

https://beta.musicbrainz.org/artist/d33792fd-44... (if anyone wants to look/help)

that do not cluster should not be an official guideline, it was created and auto approved by BrianFreud despite everyone being against the idea, why its still there in the documents i don't know but is not a rule in practice and has never been

I remember someone (possibly reosarevok) stating something to that effect, but I abide by it out of fear

Why did you bring this up, perchance?

i didn't bring it up, i was reading upscroll and its a shame people believe a lie

I think it's sound in theory.

But I accept that it's silly in practice.

Should I enter this as "***hole" or "Asshole"? The obi reads "asshole" (in katakana) but the disc and spine read "***hole"

what do you usually do if the obi & cover don't agree?

go with the cover?

(normally that's for Japanese domestic artists)

and this is a special case

(with a censored title)

well, would it make more sense to have the title in katakana (putting aside the censored bit)?

no

Those are included for readability purposes

ah. so a japanese site would list it in en/latin?

some do, some don't

Many sites (e.g. Amazon) will list track titles in katakana so Japanese consumers can read them

So an obi isn't meant to override the cover (like, say, an import might have a barcode sticker put over the original barcode)

no, it's not

Sometimes artists will add additional subtitles in Japanese on the obi or other outer packaging (e.g. a sticker)

based on that, 'go with the cover' sounds reasonable.

That brings us back to the whole censorship issue

Wasn't there a guideline somewhere about this? (It seems fairly common.)

doesn't sound familiar, but maybe?

I remember this came up a few times in the past

502...

In my mind, either you go with the cover, censorship and all, or you decide that obis override the cover.

But that's just one opinion

man

right. that's just one opinion, man.

:P

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I'd say "oh, maybe it's just the cover being bleeped-out for Walmart", but the disc is censored too.

So it kind of seems like that's the official title.

I wonder, would it have been possible to transl*te it on the obi, censorship and all, and still make the meaning clear?

Japanese people likely wouldn't know it was an expletive (or so the marketers thought, likely)

right, understood

so, is there even a way to write "***hole" in katakana, in a way that readers would understand?

maybe

usually when Japanese words are censored, they use ○ or ×

would the readers understand it as 'asshole'?

I've changed my mind. Just call the album 'grawlix' instead. That's my new opinon, man.

For an English word, likely not

yeah, that's what I was getting at. maybe the obi un-censored it because it wouldn't have really made sense any other way?

I'd add the katakanized version as a pseudo release to make searching easier if you have it as katakanized version atm

great, the "Add a new work" pop-up is hanging

STalKer-X_c CallerNo6: http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/STYLE-392

drsaunders: ^

hibiscuskazenek1: We generally prefer the "more complete/correct" over the "more prominent/used" version of a string (e.g., taking a more complete track title from the booklet rather than the backcover). (Re: "what do you usually do if the obi & cover don't agree?")

Right. The issue there was the censored title, and I was just using the obi as an example of where the title is uncensored.

Yes.

So the uncensored version would be the "more complete" one, so that is the one I would go with.

even though both the outer packaging and the disc label use the censored title

good morning

good morning

Yes.

omnomnom

Or, y'know, just anything.