#musicbrainz

Sorry if I'm disconnecting and reconnecting too much; we have 2 wi-fi hotspots in the house and one is malfunctioning (it won't let me access certain sites, namely MB)

I feel like I've bitten off a bit more than I can chew... http://musicbrainz.org/release/a1d3446a-e02f-42...

only another 20 to go

That's not a release

I'd say that debatable, I was advised that it was suitable for musicbrainz

By whom?

I'd have to search the irc logs..

cool concept

There's a million of these lists

I'd say it's more than a lit

*list

many of the songs were only ever released as part of this project

recordings from found cassette tapes etc.

It's either that or a recording series

I guess

I'd go with the latter

I've made at least one

Triple-Q had this one collection of mashups he never got around to releasing as an album

johtso: it's rare, but :) (I've mostly used it for video series so far)

would definitely make things easier in terms of not having to do a whole month at a time

Unless bitmap has fixed it already, you can't make subseries just yet

But it's planned, anyway

the triple Q is silent in english

there's a patch in review

derwin: https://www.youtube.com/user/TripleKyun

this was my original discussion when I first started adding the 365 day project releases http://chatlogs.musicbrainz.org/musicbrainz/201...

I've spent maybe 10 hours adding this release, it's a bit concerning having it dangling with a vote against it

would be great to clear up the situation

I'd let it pass because that means the recordings can be reused for the series

(you can always remove it after that)

I felt like I had an idea of how things would hang together when using the structure of releases.. allowing things like grouping of recordings by using sub track numbers like 12.1, 12.2.. not sure how that would work with a series

Well, series have numbers

So you can add something as number 12.2 of a series

That should also sort right

I almost need a mixed series..

eg. http://www.wfmu.org/365/2007/067.shtml

some contributions are releases in themselves

that series is sorted in the correct order there, had to be done manually :)

Another thing that's bit distressing is that with the release approach I was able to tag all the tracks in picard and have them grouped into meaningful directories

0, 1, 2, crayon, 3, 4, 00, 5, 6, 7, god, 000, 8, 9, 10.

I have a feeling that's completely impossible with something as loose as a recording series

hah, amazing

That I wouldn't know, since I don't tag, but it seems likely

I feel like there's maybe a bit of a middle ground sometimes when it comes to "the perfect right way to do it" vs. the pragmatic way that means I can actually get some benefit out of the work I'm putting into it and is the driving force behind the data actually getting entered in the first place

especially when it comes to higher level metadata of release/series etc.

tools that consume musicbrainz data don't understand the concept of a series

I think the releasiness of the project could also be argued. The fact that it is a project that has curated contributions from various sources with many contributions being the first time a recording has been digitized/made available/released. The way that the website is structured also conveys a sense of a "finished product" (a release?).

It feels better as a series, but I definitely wouldn't remove/downvote the release without adding it as a series at the same time, seems interesting to have

But of course I'm going to be the close to the most radical of the "database over taggers" people around since I like data for data's sake and I don't tag :)

yeah, I totally get that ethos

It does make sense though that if some small deviation is needed to ensure people are motivated to enter the data at all... oh well, slightly imperfect beats no data

Can't ask for everyone to be data crazies :)

At least in this case all the tracks are collected as a whole and actually downloadable, so it's not like some example we saw a couple days ago

I'd say having spend countless hours entering data for all sorts of obscure recordings and [someone's mother]s etc. makes me a "data crazy" ;)

Which was a "release" for one of these "best X ever" lists

(where the list was just plain text)

So yeah, there's a releaseness about it :)

I dunno whether it would make more sense, given how it seems to be presented, to have per-month releases, though?

Not a big issue

heh, eeking out the releasiness bit by bit :)

haha

per month releases is exactly what I'm doing

Oh, ok, since you said 12.1, 12.2 I thought that was a yearly release you had in mind :)

Well, I mean, in a way it's a release as much as a soundcloud set

and that's just about the limit of a unit of work before I go completely off the rails :P

I've seen those added as releases, so, yeah, whatever, go ahead :p

Gaaah

reosarevok: where does that leave me with http://musicbrainz.org/edit/31856400 ?

Why does everyone keep commenting spam on http://blog.musicbrainz.org/2015/02/12/welcomin...

(we filter it before it gets there but there have been 6 or 7 spam comments by now...)

johtso: well, I'm not going to approve it, since it's against the rules to approve controversial edits, but I voted with my reasoning

That's all I can do for now :)

oh right, you can't make normal votes!

I can, I can

I did :)

I just mean that as it is, it's still 1 yes-1 no so it needs more eyes :)

oohhh right, sorry, didn't see the count update :)

Dunno what other people will think, but I guess we'll find out! :)

Adding all these crazy obscure composers to MB knowing someone will actually use the info is pretty great :)

reosarevok: one totally unrelated question, when you mentioned using series for videos earlier, what kind of videos?

(or well, assume they will if they're willing to pay to get it in :p)

heh

Spanish rap videos, mostly :p

ah, so standard music videos

For some reason, recently they have started doing video series a lot

(one minute a cappellas for different rappers, stuff like that)

not sure if that's something that fits into musicbrainz..

Heh. Yeah, we don't have anything like that right now, unless a soundtrack work fits

(But that's a proper soundtrack/score/whatever rather than "stuff that got played on")

For releases there's the IMDB rel, but for recordings I don't think so

would be a nice addition I think, as some television broadcasts have unique performances by artists that seem like good things to have in a music database

I guess it depends what you're thinking about

Stuff like Top of the Pops or all these Name Surname shows in the US?

one example off the top of my head would be The Old Grey Whistle Test

but I wouldn't be surprised if there was some kind of audio only release of recordings from there (but then again probably not exhaustive)

another example would be Pete Seeger's Rainbow Quest series where he gets various folk musicians onto the show to perform for/with him

Oh, so basically live performances?

later with jools holland

Well, that's... an interesting thing

and the example that I actually wanted to do recently was The Old American Barn Dance https://archive.org/details/theOldAmericanBarnD...

Local TV does that, for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An4AhBxa0OU - they have a fragment of their morning program where a musician performs live

Since they upload it to their official channel, nicely cut, it's pretty trivial to just add it as a live video to MB

seems like just as important a recording as any other.. even if it hasn't been chopped up and put on a CD..

Basically, I wouldn't know what to do with something that is a full TV program with a small part of live music in it

and it's obviously interesting to know that recording A came from TV show episode n

(add it as the full thing? add the specific live bit separately? unclear, and probably worth some proper discussion)

I feel that from the musicbrainz perspective.. video is just audio with a video track

If the program is mostly music performances, I'd say that's perfectly fine to add

(As a whole)

Heh

Not so much, and I'm hoping to get more stuff in for (music) videos, for example, including director and the like

what!? I can't start adding every episode of the Simpsons!?

But I guess there's the thing of where it becomes TVBrainz :p

but it has a song at the beginning!

(same as we have audiobooks but don't have actual books :p)

So, basically, "dunno what the right answer is, you might want to send an email to the style list asking for opinions"? Maybe :p

one day musicbrainz will contain all data.

Well, I'd like it to, but we'd need a bigger team :)

I'm constantly blown away by how "right" musicbrainz has got things

when looking at other similar projects

heh

reosarevok: once you have a BookBrainz, *Brainz is a very small step ;)

It's fun in that I tend to just see the stuff we're lacking

and when I use something that isn't a lovingly crafted relational database it makes me sad :(

(since I tend to take what we do have for granted)

Would it make sense to add http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XDR_(audio) or dolby attribute to cassettes ?

So it's nice to remember every once in a while that quite a bit is actually good :p