specifically, "In the early days of the Hollywood studio system, every studio had a sound director (SD)[8] or a recording director (RD), who headed the sound department and took sole credit for the work done by a large crew of sound technicians. "
2015-02-07 03855, 2015
reosarevok
Yeah, that one's kinda hard, at least for me
2015-02-07 03809, 2015
chibs
Quick question: I downloaded the chromaprint source code, got all the dependencies installed, and tried to compile the example fpcalc.c file with gcc and I failed
2015-02-07 03816, 2015
chibs
it failed
2015-02-07 03819, 2015
chibs
*
2015-02-07 03820, 2015
reosarevok
(a couple others too where I'm like "it's probably fine in isolation but will it see more wrong uses than right, like RG official homepage"?)
2015-02-07 03845, 2015
chibs
I downloaded the fpcalc executable file to my linux machine and that works fine
2015-02-07 03810, 2015
chibs
but I want to make the code work so I can integrate it into my application
2015-02-07 03814, 2015
CallerNo6
johtso, so maybe "recorded by" works (based on the wikipedia quote), but add a "suboptimal credit" annotation?
2015-02-07 03829, 2015
chibs
any help would be appreciated again, thanks
2015-02-07 03837, 2015
Freso
chibs: What distribution are you using?
2015-02-07 03800, 2015
chibs
I cloned it diretly from git
2015-02-07 03845, 2015
chibs
directly*
2015-02-07 03859, 2015
Freso
You cloned GNU/Linux directly from git?
2015-02-07 03809, 2015
johtso
CallerNo6: sounds good
2015-02-07 03810, 2015
chibs
oh now i remember, I downloaded the source from bitbucket and extracted it to my system
2015-02-07 03833, 2015
reosarevok
That douche :p
2015-02-07 03807, 2015
Freso
chibs: What Linux distribution are you using?
2015-02-07 03855, 2015
chirlu`
Also, what is the error message?
2015-02-07 03837, 2015
CallerNo6
reosarevok, on the misuse of ARs, what about a single page with a "mapping" table?
2015-02-07 03854, 2015
reosarevok
A single page for rels is something I do want
2015-02-07 03835, 2015
Freso
CallerNo6: There was a WikiPage once with translations/mappings from various languages, IIRC.
2015-02-07 03836, 2015
reosarevok
I think nikki also mentioned it recently as desirable
2015-02-07 03842, 2015
reosarevok
It's a mess right now, basically :p
2015-02-07 03850, 2015
CallerNo6
so for positions that don't map well, at least there can be a note saying "no matching rel, use annotation" or whatever.
Although I guess that still has some artistic qualities :p
2015-02-07 03850, 2015
chibs
Freso: Any idea how I can compile the source code? Do you have any experience with chromaprint?
2015-02-07 03857, 2015
reosarevok
While the DG one... well
2015-02-07 03809, 2015
CatQuest
in general I'd like to aproach a wikipedia-type styleguideline though "we are not censored" etc. but it might be ok to have some sort of flag or tag so that people woh agregate our data can have a choice to
2015-02-07 03855, 2015
Freso
chibs: If you use Ubuntu, you should be able to install chromaprint as a package instead of having the compile it yourself.
2015-02-07 03805, 2015
reosarevok has no idea what does qualify as NSFW
2015-02-07 03812, 2015
CatQuest
yea
2015-02-07 03812, 2015
reosarevok
Is someone in lingerie NSFW? What about a swimsuit?
2015-02-07 03817, 2015
chibs
Freso: sudo apt-get install?
2015-02-07 03817, 2015
hibiscuskazeneko
Normally porn or drugs
2015-02-07 03828, 2015
Freso
chibs: No clue. I don't use anything Debian based.
2015-02-07 03837, 2015
CatQuest
i mean her. grotek violence and inards.. but sitll case in point the metal cover with the guy with ihs head blown out
2015-02-07 03844, 2015
Freso
I just know other *buntu'ers use Picard with chromaprint.
2015-02-07 03851, 2015
chibs
Freso: okay thanks
2015-02-07 03803, 2015
reosarevok
chibs: there's a chromaprint package, so probably that
2015-02-07 03833, 2015
johtso
is it completely mad to add [unknown] artist credits to each track on a release to show that the unknown artist sung and played guitar on each track?
2015-02-07 03850, 2015
CatQuest
johtso: YEEEEEEEEEEES pls don't do that
2015-02-07 03852, 2015
CatQuest
T__TTT
2015-02-07 03836, 2015
johtso
so the purpose of artist credits is not to show what instruments were used on a recording but just what artist played them?
2015-02-07 03852, 2015
CatQuest
johtso: hmm.. oh I see what you meant
2015-02-07 03858, 2015
chibs
:reosarevok: thanks I'll search for it
2015-02-07 03806, 2015
CatQuest
a instrument-track relation....
2015-02-07 03824, 2015
chibs
ls
2015-02-07 03825, 2015
nikki
johtso: artist credits and relationships are two separate things, by the way. I think you're referring to relationships if you're talking about instruments :)
2015-02-07 03851, 2015
CatQuest
I dunno. I would think.. ou know, a direct instrument -track rel would be able to solve the "unknown artist did this on x track" problem
going back to the AR single-page thing, what's the most common use case? for me, it's not "how do I use this AR?"... it's more like "how do I enter this credit found in the wild?"
2015-02-07 03815, 2015
reosarevok
johtso: I don't have a huge problem with the idea of linking to unknown
2015-02-07 03822, 2015
reosarevok
It's more info than we'd have otherwise
2015-02-07 03823, 2015
CatQuest has T_T
2015-02-07 03830, 2015
CatQuest
wahaha don't make me cry
2015-02-07 03840, 2015
reosarevok
kinda annoying to change later if it becomes known, but well
less annoying than an instrument-recording relationship would be to change, since that would *require* removing the relationships, since you couldn't just edit them :P
2015-02-07 03819, 2015
CallerNo6
reosarevok is describing religion?
2015-02-07 03834, 2015
CatQuest
hmm i meant.. oh?
2015-02-07 03838, 2015
CatQuest
i on't know really
2015-02-07 03839, 2015
nikki
and if it's annoying to edit later, that's more an argument for improving the interface, not for not doing it in the first place :P
2015-02-07 03843, 2015
reosarevok
Artist credits are something else, btw ;)
2015-02-07 03849, 2015
CatQuest
for situations where it's impossible ot know.. maybe
2015-02-07 03855, 2015
reosarevok
But yeah - the main purpose of relationships is to say *who* did X
2015-02-07 03809, 2015
reosarevok
But if all the info you have is someone did X, unknown seems sensible
2015-02-07 03815, 2015
chibs
I get this error when I run "make" after running "cmake" on the chromaprint source
2015-02-07 03823, 2015
chibs
I get this error when I run "make" after running "cmake" on the chromaprint source
2015-02-07 03824, 2015
reosarevok
As long as you have extra info, that is - "unknown performed" would be a bit silly
2015-02-07 03828, 2015
chibs
Linking CXX shared library libchromaprint.so
2015-02-07 03832, 2015
CatQuest
I am all for making [unknown] *more* special ie that ar's to it is handled differntly for example
2015-02-07 03847, 2015
Freso
chibs: Don't compile it from source, install the package instead.
2015-02-07 03815, 2015
nikki
I do wish we could leave one end of a relationship blank, but if we ever added support for that, it would be pretty trivial to migrate the existing [unknown] stuff
2015-02-07 03824, 2015
CatQuest
reosarevok: sadly, I've actually seen "unknown performed" ar's T__T
2015-02-07 03836, 2015
CatQuest
nikki: ohh that sounds wonderful
2015-02-07 03804, 2015
chibs
okay but can I use the package in my own source code?
2015-02-07 03809, 2015
chibs
Freso?
2015-02-07 03840, 2015
Freso
chibs: You probably could.
2015-02-07 03854, 2015
chibs
k thanks alot, i'll try it
2015-02-07 03855, 2015
Freso
But for help with that, I'd go to #acoustid or #musicbrainz-devel
2015-02-07 03804, 2015
johtso
Isn't the relationship "performs as" more specific than it needs to be?
2015-02-07 03813, 2015
johtso
artists don't necessarily perform
2015-02-07 03827, 2015
nikki
if they don't perform, use a different relationship type?
2015-02-07 03834, 2015
reosarevok
No, the legal name one, nikki
2015-02-07 03837, 2015
nikki
oh
2015-02-07 03853, 2015
johtso
but isn't that the standard relationship for pseudonyms?
2015-02-07 03820, 2015
CallerNo6 wouldn't mind changing the AR to "pseudonym"
Well, you could say that they perform mastering or engineering or photography or A&R'ing or … under a pseudonym.
2015-02-07 03849, 2015
Freso
Even if they don't perform music.
2015-02-07 03851, 2015
johtso
true..
2015-02-07 03810, 2015
CallerNo6 is my under-performance name
2015-02-07 03859, 2015
CatQuest
lol caller
2015-02-07 03820, 2015
johtso
should legal names have initials expanded?
2015-02-07 03837, 2015
johtso
with the initalised form as an alias?
2015-02-07 03808, 2015
CatQuest
but +++ to what's on that page johtso linked
2015-02-07 03812, 2015
reosarevok
Hmm. The thing with "pseudonym" is that if you're Artist ThisGuy and perform as Artist, I guess that's not a pseudonym
2015-02-07 03824, 2015
reosarevok
Although given most of those would be legal name aliases anyway...
2015-02-07 03841, 2015
reosarevok
(maybe it's a pseudonym anyway and I'm just being a non-native dunce :p)
2015-02-07 03809, 2015
CatQuest
I think Change of name - Sequential. each side of the relationship represents a different stage in the artist's career. " is an important point
2015-02-07 03840, 2015
CallerNo6
johtso, does the artist perform using his/her legal name? if so, I'd be inclined to enter it as it usually appears, and add the middle name as an alias.
2015-02-07 03801, 2015
CatQuest
tho the "sometimes nicksnames" are artist credits in my book
2015-02-07 03812, 2015
Freso
johtso: It's really on a case-by-case basis whether to expand in the artist name or not.
2015-02-07 03820, 2015
johtso
CallerNo6: always seems to be credited with the initialised form
2015-02-07 03850, 2015
reosarevok
CatQuest: I imagine this proposal was pre-NGS
2015-02-07 03858, 2015
reosarevok
(I don't remember seeing it at least)
2015-02-07 03810, 2015
CatQuest
we'd gotten ngs by 2010 hadn't we?
2015-02-07 03812, 2015
CatQuest
or wait
2015-02-07 03816, 2015
CatQuest
when was ngs
2015-02-07 03827, 2015
reosarevok
2011-05 IIRC
2015-02-07 03828, 2015
CatQuest
i forget that '10 was 5 years ago
2015-02-07 03847, 2015
CatQuest
jesus. time
2015-02-07 03800, 2015
CallerNo6
johtso, yeah, then IMO you should enter the artist name unexpanded
2015-02-07 03815, 2015
johtso
cool
2015-02-07 03815, 2015
johtso
what type of alias is a surname only version of a name, or a version with the first name as an initial?
2015-02-07 03828, 2015
johtso
search hint? artist name?
2015-02-07 03819, 2015
Freso
If they're often credited with and/or use it frequently themselves: artist name
