#musicbrainz

Do we have a style guide for interviews? http://beta.musicbrainz.org/edit/31664209

Not to my knowledge. The change seems sane to me.

+1

[dialogue] is "Used for soundtrack tracks"

(and even then, I assume it's for uncredited dialogue interludes. why wouldn't you credit people speaking if they're credited on the release?)

I can't answer that, but http://beta.musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Unknown_a... explicitly says not to

well, it says when to use [dialogue]. the example is from http://www.discogs.com/Various-Pulp-Fiction-Mus...

where the tracklist doesn't credit an artist.

So you /could/ interpret the guideline as,

1. credit the artist as on cover,

2. or use [dialogue]

Also, the description does explicitly say it's meant for soundtracks, which the interviews arguably are not.

'xactly

I just found these http://beta.musicbrainz.org/edit/31645317 http://beta.musicbrainz.org/edit/31645324 http://beta.musicbrainz.org/edit/31645329 http://beta.musicbrainz.org/edit/31645332 http://beta.musicbrainz.org/edit/31645365

also http://beta.musicbrainz.org/edit/31574615

Arguably though, those *should* be changed. I mean, there's no point to AC'ing [dial.] if you can just use the actual artists.

Those artist credits shouldn

't even exist, according to the guide

But they do exist. So change them at their source instead.

I'm still trying to find that source

huh? http://beta.musicbrainz.org/edit/31645332 ... I don't see a link to the recording (or whatever is being edited).

oh, oh, nm. I see what's going on.

I found the medium and fixed it in http://beta.musicbrainz.org/edit/31691391

(it needs some other work, but that's for another time)

Where do you put the date a recording was recorded?

I was looking at events.. but they don't seem suitable

johtso: Recording-Artist recording engineer dates, Recording-Work performance-of dates, Recording-Artist performance dates, ...

aha, so it's the recording-work relationship I want to put it on

Well, you can put it in several places, as long as it makes sense. :)

(For studio recordings, for example, various artists/instruments may be performed at separate occassions.)

(don't worry, we'll add more cowbell in post)

Does anyone know how to tell which side of this record is the A side? http://img.youtube.com/vi/QF1SwsQZanM/0.jpg http://img.youtube.com/vi/-svbzUg7a_8/0.jpg

Does the little + symbol below the record number mean it's the B side?

also, does anyone know what the two numbers in brackets below the record number signify?

"A "double A-side" is a single where both sides are designated the A-side"

Any idea why this ticket is closed? http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/STYLE-140

johtso: http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/STYLE-140...

I thought jira was used for proposals? :/

It is now.

It was closed in 2012.

(The ticket, that is.)

oh right

wondering if it could be resurrected..

night :)

johtso, iirc that was a contentious proposal. I think I wasn't the only one who felt that descriptors were too subjective. Closer to genre/style.

Hmm, I suppose it is a bit tricky

but.. a few more types of vocal couldn't hurt :D

haha. in the age of autotune, "modified" would get a lot of use.

'whistling' seems unambiguous

some are alive and well in tags, like http://beta.musicbrainz.org/tag/a%20cappella

need more yodeling

Hmm, which musicbrainz label is right for this? http://www.discogs.com/label/1866-Columbia http://www.discogs.com/release/4746682

oh right.. http://musicbrainz.org/label/011d1192-6f65-45bd...

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johtso: I would suggest making new tickets for those vocal types anyway. things generally shouldn't be in a single ticket unless they only make sense if added together (e.g. male and female would make sense as a pair, because one without the other would be odd, but the rest are pretty independent)

hibiscuskazeneko: cover would make sense to me, I've seen cover album used plenty of times just like live album would be. less sure about christmas album

I'd probably define it as "an album of Christmas-themed music by an artist who does not specialize in Christmas music"

though even that my be too broad

may*

I suspect people would use it for any christmas stuff, whether the artist specialises in it or not

That's why we'd need to come up with a good guideline to stop such use

What I picture a Christmas album as is something like this: http://musicbrainz.org/release/7a63fb65-cec2-45...

Then again, there are artists like Mannheim Steamroller who have built half their discographies on Christmas music

you can't stop it via guidelines though :) while the most obvious thing to a random user adding a christmas album is to pick the "christmas" option from the list, that's what they'll do, no matter how many guidelines there are saying otherwise

right

What am I looking at http://www.isshin-do.co.jp/kissfacepack.html

Images have been failing to load for the past few hours

It's affecting both the beta and regular servers

I'm trying to look at the CSS to see if there's some link that's breaking (it's been a while since I've touched this stuff)

The icons appear to be set as some kind of value (not a URL like I was expecting)

I do know that this and read timeouts while searching are not mutually exclsive

exclusive*

the images are embedded in the css as data uris, so if it were a problem with the css, all the styling would be broken

(which would be very obvious, if nothing else :P)

so it seems to be something else causing it

I didn't see any URLs in there

unless those "base64" things were encrypted URLs

Even ruaok told me he didn't know what was going on

I should also note that whatever is causing image issues apparently may be causing the pop-up "Add a new [entity]" thing to hang and not load

Oh, images appear to have magically fixed themselves now

the base64 stuff is what I meant, yes. but it's not a link to an external thing, all the info needed to display the image is already there, so it's a bit like using a url except it doesn't need any extra requests

hmm

so making a new tab fixed it (the old tab is still affected, even after I refreshed the page)

Maybe something server-side is corrupting those requests?

if that were the case, everyone would have the same issue

Someone (I think it was Freso) said it might be related to a known Chrome bug)

I really think it's some weird bug in your browser, especially if it's limited to individual tabs, that sounds vaguely similar to an issue I see in chrome when I open too many tabs where it just stops rendering some tabs entirely and I have to restart it to make it work again

It has nothing to do with that

I

I've had dozens of tabs open at once without issue

It seems to occur only occasionally

it sounds vaguely similar because your browser appears to have suddenly forgotten how to render certain images for no apparent reason with no obvious cause

what confuses me most is that I haven't seen other people complaining of the same thing... normally even for browser-specific bugs we get multiple people seeing it

New post: blog: Code of Conduct overhaul <http://blog.musicbrainz.org/2015/02/19/code-of-...;

Wow.. "This index was originally created and is currently updated and maintained using Alpha4, a relational databse management software. Currently the database files reside on my home PC, a Lenovo Thinkpad model, using the DOS v.8 version of Alpha4." http://www.ibiblio.org/folkindex/

Gah… http://musicbrainz.org/edit/31691391

After all that discussion too

there should be some javascript thing that forces everyone who writes "on IRC" to actually provide a link to the chatlogs

also modified

ugh that voice trea

also why shouldn't a hypothetical "Christmas-album" bbe used for releases *by* people who specialize in "Christmas-album"s?

hibiscuskazeneko: i hoesntly think you're interpreting the guideline too rigidly in this case.

they are GUIDELINEs not Rules

:)

They're treated as rules (and I've had people refer to them as such)

It's already set to [dialogue], which follows the guideline - dunno whether the AC matters much

They're treated by rules by people doing it wrong, FWIW :)

But in this case, I think both options are fine. If the release doesn't actually credit them to the actors, I'd just go [dialogue]

i am having trouble parsing your sentence reo o_O

Provided the spoken workd relationships are there

CatCat: what sentence? :) Currently they're [dialogue] as Actors, isn't it? :)

in any case using artist credits on dialouge.. well but to change that to [dialouge]...

[11:39] reosarevok_They're treated by rules by people doing it wrong, FWIW :)

Oh