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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        Do we have a style guide for interviews? http://beta.musicbrainz.org/edit/31664209
      • 2015-02-19 05059, 2015

      • Freso
        Not to my knowledge. The change seems sane to me.
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      • CallerNo6
        +1
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      • CallerNo6
        [dialogue] is "Used for soundtrack tracks"
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      • CallerNo6
        (and even then, I assume it's for uncredited dialogue interludes. why wouldn't you credit people speaking if they're credited on the release?)
      • 2015-02-19 05017, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
        I can't answer that, but http://beta.musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Unknown_and… explicitly says not to
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      • CallerNo6
        well, it says when to use [dialogue]. the example is from http://www.discogs.com/Various-Pulp-Fiction-Music…
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      • CallerNo6
        where the tracklist doesn't credit an artist.
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      • CallerNo6
        So you /could/ interpret the guideline as,
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      • CallerNo6
        1. credit the artist as on cover,
      • 2015-02-19 05059, 2015

      • CallerNo6
        2. or use [dialogue]
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      • Freso
        Also, the description does explicitly say it's meant for soundtracks, which the interviews arguably are not.
      • 2015-02-19 05013, 2015

      • CallerNo6
        'xactly
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
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      • Freso
        Arguably though, those *should* be changed. I mean, there's no point to AC'ing [dial.] if you can just use the actual artists.
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        Those artist credits shouldn
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        't even exist, according to the guide
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      • Freso
        But they do exist. So change them at their source instead.
      • 2015-02-19 05038, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
        I'm still trying to find that source
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      • CallerNo6
        huh? http://beta.musicbrainz.org/edit/31645332 ... I don't see a link to the recording (or whatever is being edited).
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      • CallerNo6
        oh, oh, nm. I see what's going on.
      • 2015-02-19 05042, 2015

      • hibiscuskazenek1
        I found the medium and fixed it in http://beta.musicbrainz.org/edit/31691391
      • 2015-02-19 05013, 2015

      • hibiscuskazenek1
        (it needs some other work, but that's for another time)
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      • johtso
        Where do you put the date a recording was recorded?
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      • johtso
        I was looking at events.. but they don't seem suitable
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      • Freso
        johtso: Recording-Artist recording engineer dates, Recording-Work performance-of dates, Recording-Artist performance dates, ...
      • 2015-02-19 05027, 2015

      • johtso
        aha, so it's the recording-work relationship I want to put it on
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      • Freso
        Well, you can put it in several places, as long as it makes sense. :)
      • 2015-02-19 05003, 2015

      • Freso
        (For studio recordings, for example, various artists/instruments may be performed at separate occassions.)
      • 2015-02-19 05047, 2015

      • CallerNo6
        (don't worry, we'll add more cowbell in post)
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      • johtso
        Does anyone know how to tell which side of this record is the A side? http://img.youtube.com/vi/QF1SwsQZanM/0.jpg http://img.youtube.com/vi/-svbzUg7a_8/0.jpg
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      • johtso
        Does the little + symbol below the record number mean it's the B side?
      • 2015-02-19 05024, 2015

      • johtso
        also, does anyone know what the two numbers in brackets below the record number signify?
      • 2015-02-19 05039, 2015

      • CallerNo6 reads about "double-a sides". sounds like "this one goes to eleven"
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      • CallerNo6
        "A "double A-side" is a single where both sides are designated the A-side"
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      • johtso
        Any idea why this ticket is closed? http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/STYLE-140
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      • Freso
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      • Freso goes to bed
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      • johtso
        I thought jira was used for proposals? :/
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      • Freso
        It is now.
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      • Freso
        It was closed in 2012.
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      • Freso
        (The ticket, that is.)
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      • johtso
        oh right
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      • johtso
        wondering if it could be resurrected..
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      • Freso goes
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      • johtso
        night :)
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      • CallerNo6
        johtso, iirc that was a contentious proposal. I think I wasn't the only one who felt that descriptors were too subjective. Closer to genre/style.
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      • johtso
        Hmm, I suppose it is a bit tricky
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      • johtso
        but.. a few more types of vocal couldn't hurt :D
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      • CallerNo6
        haha. in the age of autotune, "modified" would get a lot of use.
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      • CallerNo6
        'whistling' seems unambiguous
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      • CallerNo6
        some are alive and well in tags, like http://beta.musicbrainz.org/tag/a%20cappella
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      • johtso
        need more yodeling
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        The "Filter" logo is failing to load
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      • nikki
        johtso: I would suggest making new tickets for those vocal types anyway. things generally shouldn't be in a single ticket unless they only make sense if added together (e.g. male and female would make sense as a pair, because one without the other would be odd, but the rest are pretty independent)
      • 2015-02-19 05048, 2015

      • nikki
        hibiscuskazeneko: cover would make sense to me, I've seen cover album used plenty of times just like live album would be. less sure about christmas album
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        I'd probably define it as "an album of Christmas-themed music by an artist who does not specialize in Christmas music"
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        though even that my be too broad
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        may*
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      • nikki
        I suspect people would use it for any christmas stuff, whether the artist specialises in it or not
      • 2015-02-19 05028, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
        That's why we'd need to come up with a good guideline to stop such use
      • 2015-02-19 05042, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
        What I picture a Christmas album as is something like this: http://musicbrainz.org/release/7a63fb65-cec2-4560…
      • 2015-02-19 05030, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
        Then again, there are artists like Mannheim Steamroller who have built half their discographies on Christmas music
      • 2015-02-19 05039, 2015

      • nikki
        you can't stop it via guidelines though :) while the most obvious thing to a random user adding a christmas album is to pick the "christmas" option from the list, that's what they'll do, no matter how many guidelines there are saying otherwise
      • 2015-02-19 05054, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
        right
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        Images have been failing to load for the past few hours
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        It's affecting both the beta and regular servers
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        I'm trying to look at the CSS to see if there's some link that's breaking (it's been a while since I've touched this stuff)
      • 2015-02-19 05048, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
        The icons appear to be set as some kind of value (not a URL like I was expecting)
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        I do know that this and read timeouts while searching are not mutually exclsive
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        exclusive*
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      • nikki
        the images are embedded in the css as data uris, so if it were a problem with the css, all the styling would be broken
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      • nikki
        (which would be very obvious, if nothing else :P)
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      • nikki
        so it seems to be something else causing it
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        I didn't see any URLs in there
      • 2015-02-19 05054, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
        unless those "base64" things were encrypted URLs
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        Even ruaok told me he didn't know what was going on
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        I should also note that whatever is causing image issues apparently may be causing the pop-up "Add a new [entity]" thing to hang and not load
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        Oh, images appear to have magically fixed themselves now
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      • nikki
        the base64 stuff is what I meant, yes. but it's not a link to an external thing, all the info needed to display the image is already there, so it's a bit like using a url except it doesn't need any extra requests
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        hmm
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        so making a new tab fixed it (the old tab is still affected, even after I refreshed the page)
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        Maybe something server-side is corrupting those requests?
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      • nikki
        if that were the case, everyone would have the same issue
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        Someone (I think it was Freso) said it might be related to a known Chrome bug)
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      • nikki
        I really think it's some weird bug in your browser, especially if it's limited to individual tabs, that sounds vaguely similar to an issue I see in chrome when I open too many tabs where it just stops rendering some tabs entirely and I have to restart it to make it work again
      • 2015-02-19 05052, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
        It has nothing to do with that
      • 2015-02-19 05053, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
        I
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        I've had dozens of tabs open at once without issue
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        It seems to occur only occasionally
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      • nikki
        it sounds vaguely similar because your browser appears to have suddenly forgotten how to render certain images for no apparent reason with no obvious cause
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      • nikki
        what confuses me most is that I haven't seen other people complaining of the same thing... normally even for browser-specific bugs we get multiple people seeing it
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      • mb-chat-logger
        New post: blog: Code of Conduct overhaul <http://blog.musicbrainz.org/2015/02/19/code-of-conduct-overhaul/>
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      • johtso
        Wow.. "This index was originally created and is currently updated and maintained using Alpha4, a relational databse management software. Currently the database files reside on my home PC, a Lenovo Thinkpad model, using the DOS v.8 version of Alpha4." http://www.ibiblio.org/folkindex/
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        After all that discussion too
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      • Mineo
        there should be some javascript thing that forces everyone who writes "on IRC" to actually provide a link to the chatlogs
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      • CatCat
        also modified
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      • CatCat
        ugh that voice trea
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      • CatCat
        also why shouldn't a hypothetical "Christmas-album" bbe used for releases *by* people who specialize in "Christmas-album"s?
      • 2015-02-19 05002, 2015

      • CatCat
        hibiscuskazeneko: i hoesntly think you're interpreting the guideline too rigidly in this case.
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      • CatCat
        they are GUIDELINEs not Rules
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      • CatCat
        :)
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      • reosarevok_ shrugs
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        They're treated as rules (and I've had people refer to them as such)
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      • reosarevok_
        It's already set to [dialogue], which follows the guideline - dunno whether the AC matters much
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      • reosarevok_
        They're treated by rules by people doing it wrong, FWIW :)
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      • reosarevok_
        But in this case, I think both options are fine. If the release doesn't actually credit them to the actors, I'd just go [dialogue]
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      • CatCat
        i am having trouble parsing your sentence reo o_O
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      • reosarevok_
        Provided the spoken workd relationships are there
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      • reosarevok_
        CatCat: what sentence? :) Currently they're [dialogue] as Actors, isn't it? :)
      • 2015-02-19 05043, 2015

      • CatCat
        in any case using artist credits on dialouge.. well but to change that to [dialouge]...
      • 2015-02-19 05051, 2015

      • CatCat
        [11:39] reosarevok_ They're treated by rules by people doing it wrong, FWIW :)
      • 2015-02-19 05002, 2015

      • reosarevok_
        Oh