Well, alright. I guess if that’s what was in mind, that’s what’s in mind.
2015-01-03 00314, 2015
hawke2
So what needs to change to get studio sessions into MB?
2015-01-03 00328, 2015
hawke2
Does it require a whole new entity?
2015-01-03 00327, 2015
hawke2
(And if so, how would that entity differ from an Event?)
2015-01-03 00343, 2015
reosarevok
Well, depends on what we want them to have, look like, and be used for, I guess. So giving all the info you can about those things would be good
2015-01-03 00301, 2015
reosarevok
Then it'd need discussion, and to see who else wants to use it and how - this is a thing that could use some "old-school" style discussion I think
2015-01-03 00308, 2015
hawke2
Were it up to me, they would literally be the same as events. I mean, if one really wanted to be anal about it, I guess you could restrict people from saying they attended them.
2015-01-03 00321, 2015
reosarevok
(not as in RFCs and the like, but just posting to the list and asking about)
2015-01-03 00327, 2015
hawke2
Sure.
2015-01-03 00352, 2015
reosarevok
Well, at the very least we'd need to write some code for them not to appear on the same list as live events, but that can be done with a type if desired
2015-01-03 00301, 2015
hawke2
Which list is that?
2015-01-03 00331, 2015
reosarevok
artist/events, which is supposed to basically be a "gigography" in the same way as overview is a discography
2015-01-03 00355, 2015
reosarevok
(which reminds me how much I'd like to have /works clearly separated on written vs. performed, too)
2015-01-03 00344, 2015
reosarevok
I mean, we could have them both there with some clear separation of live / studio sessions, same as with the works idea. It'd need thought, anyway :)(
2015-01-03 00346, 2015
reosarevok
-)
2015-01-03 00319, 2015
hawke2
I …also wouldn’t hide studio sessions from events. Being able to sort/filter would be nice for sure, but…
2015-01-03 00310, 2015
reosarevok
Well, I'd present them separate by default for sure
2015-01-03 00342, 2015
hawke2
It’s like saying “releases are only meant to be albums” or “releases are only meant to be studio albums”. Which some people would be all about, I’m sure, but you’re still missing a bunch of stuff if you do that.
2015-01-03 00322, 2015
Freso
KRS-Cuan: I have 9 pages on that report, filtered.
2015-01-03 00326, 2015
reosarevok
I'd either have two tabs, /events and /sessions, or one tab with two sub-sections, live and sessions, I guess
2015-01-03 00350, 2015
reosarevok
Heh
2015-01-03 00358, 2015
reosarevok
I suspect I'd have around 9 myself too with the rap only
2015-01-03 00308, 2015
reosarevok
It's the classical making it bigger
2015-01-03 00353, 2015
hawke2
reosarevok: and does doing that require anything more than just adding a new event type? I think it’s basically just a preference of what you might want to see at any time.
2015-01-03 00315, 2015
hawke2
Just like sometimes you might want to only see 'main performer' events and sometimes you want 'guest performer' events
2015-01-03 00354, 2015
reosarevok
Not necessarily. As I said, it's not necessarily an issue of "how big the code changes are". It needs debate to see if we do want to track this stuff, and if we do, whether we want it as an event type
2015-01-03 00314, 2015
reosarevok
(I do feel like sessions and live events are somewhat related, but I also feel like they shouldn't be on the same list, even if they're done with the same entity - the difference between a concert and a session is much bigger to me than the difference between a headliner concert and a support concert)
2015-01-03 00354, 2015
reosarevok
(so, I'd like to have two lists for those, and I'd like those to be filter-able so you can also specifically check for headliner appearances on the live list)
"The last communist in a finnish city is saved from a suicide by a vampire Lenin. He then proceeds to try and revive communism by getting Lenin to drink blood"
If that list is supposed to be “David Bowie concerts” anyway.
2015-01-03 00328, 2015
reosarevok
Well, that's a concert where Bowie performed - it's as much a Bowie concert as "X feat. Y" is a release by Y I guess :)
2015-01-03 00336, 2015
reosarevok
(so, not very, but still)
2015-01-03 00350, 2015
hawke2
Yeah. :-D
2015-01-03 00322, 2015
hawke2
I take it though that you find the 5 non-concert events to be very out of place there?
2015-01-03 00349, 2015
reosarevok
Heh. Radio/TV stuff is... weird
2015-01-03 00346, 2015
hawke2
Yes.
2015-01-03 00310, 2015
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hawke2
So yeah, maybe it’s just the logical path I’m following…
2015-01-03 00320, 2015
reosarevok
It "feels" less out of place than straight studio sessions, and we need to find a decent way to deal with them anyway since KEXP wanted to add theirs, heh. I'm not fully sure how I feel about it yet :)
2015-01-03 00355, 2015
hawke2
“an organised event which people can attend” → well, TV shows often have live audiences, so people can attend that…
2015-01-03 00317, 2015
reosarevok
It's one of the things I need to think about - for now, I'm fine with them being added as events though. It's also one thing I might eventually want to filter away from live event stuff, but
2015-01-03 00342, 2015
reosarevok
I'll eventually open a debate for this. For now, your approach seems ok
2015-01-03 00356, 2015
reosarevok
Tag them as radio or tv or something to find them easily in case we add a type ;)
2015-01-03 00321, 2015
hawke2
Did I already request a new type for radio show? I feel like I did, but I might not have gotten to it.
2015-01-03 00332, 2015
reosarevok
You did
2015-01-03 00339, 2015
hawke2
OK, good.
2015-01-03 00300, 2015
reosarevok
I'll look at that eventually. A bit swamped right now, but I do plan to dedicate a couple hours per day to look at old and new tickets fwiw :)
2015-01-03 00310, 2015
reosarevok
So hopefully will get better, heh
2015-01-03 00316, 2015
hawke2
Yeah, no worries.
2015-01-03 00329, 2015
reosarevok
(would be easier if I didn't start fixing 13-CD comps instead, but)
2015-01-03 00358, 2015
hawke2
Looking at “Storytellers” though, it occurs to me that a TV show which is also a concert, would potentially be problematic.
2015-01-03 00336, 2015
hawke2
Without multi-select anyway, which seems ridiculous for such an edge case.
2015-01-03 00334, 2015
hawke2
Like, I certainly wouldn’t want a 'radio show' event for every time someone plays a song on the radio.
2015-01-03 00319, 2015
hawke2
But it seems weird to say “oh, that ‘concert’ was technically recorded the night before and broadcast later, therefore not live and not an event”
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Freso made a small dent in the recording-feat. report, but has to go do other stuff now
2015-01-03 00348, 2015
KRS-Cuan
Every small bit helps. :)
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drewcovi
anyone here?
2015-01-03 00317, 2015
drewcovi
oh ha, took a while to load
2015-01-03 00320, 2015
drewcovi
apologies
2015-01-03 00359, 2015
drewcovi
I'm really struggling with collaborations, and would love to know how to decide when to split a collaboration into artists
"This relationship should only be used when artist credits can't be easily used. Normally this implies the collaboration receives a new name: if X and Y collaborate as "X & Y" a new artist should not be created, as we can simply credit it as "X" & "Y" through artist credits."
2015-01-03 00358, 2015
drewcovi
yet there's simon & garfunkel
2015-01-03 00306, 2015
drewcovi
and bob marley & the wailers
2015-01-03 00318, 2015
drewcovi
both of which are pretty heavily loaded with releases
2015-01-03 00334, 2015
drewcovi
how do we know when to split these groups into artists as outlined above?
I think this release just needs to be changed to point this track to the correct recording.
2015-01-03 00304, 2015
warp
that also sounds perfectly likely :)
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Freso
drewcovi (in the off chance you're reading the logs): "Simon & Garfunkel" and "Bob Marley & The Wailers" are considered groups in their own right, even as their names are formatted like "{Artist A} & {Artist B}".
