some more googling suggests that "headphones" is also an MB indexer. I do hope this rembo10 character is using his own MB server setup instead of hitting the main website
2015-04-29 11952, 2015
reosarevok
Haha
2015-04-29 11957, 2015
reosarevok
Well, now yes, mostly
2015-04-29 11921, 2015
reosarevok
(because they suddenly sent insane amounts of requests so we started ratelimiting them to hell and back)
2015-04-29 11922, 2015
kepstin-laptop
lets just say that... we've applied some convincing in that direction from our side.
2015-04-29 11942, 2015
Zastai
:-)
2015-04-29 11959, 2015
CallerNo6
at what point does a pirate rip of disc 2 warrant a new RG?
2015-04-29 11913, 2015
CallerNo6
(if any)
2015-04-29 11928, 2015
reosarevok
Well, a bootleg RG isn't even displayed by default so whatever :p
2015-04-29 11940, 2015
pankkake
well I can't find a CD it would be from
2015-04-29 11947, 2015
reosarevok
(arguably never though? But dunno - I'm a bit confused with bootlegs in general)
2015-04-29 11903, 2015
pankkake
it seems to be a real bootleg (material unfound elsewhere), not just a rip
2015-04-29 11900, 2015
pankkake
still it shares 7/11 recordings
2015-04-29 11936, 2015
reosarevok
Hmm
2015-04-29 11956, 2015
reosarevok
I'd probably leave it as a separate RG in that case, since I doubt anyone would see it as an equivalent of the whole (2xCD?) thing
2015-04-29 11902, 2015
reosarevok
But honestly it barely matters :p
2015-04-29 11955, 2015
CallerNo6
I guess, yeah, I'd rather have it out of the main RG.
must've mispasted in first edit note - link does work in the second note I just added
2015-04-29 11956, 2015
Zastai
(but unlike a WP link on a release page, the edit not overview shows the raw escapes instead of the kanji)
2015-04-29 11917, 2015
Zastai
lots and lots of 502s yesterday and today :-(
2015-04-29 11946, 2015
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CatQuest
yep. loads
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Leftmost
reosarevok, ping
2015-04-29 11956, 2015
reosarevok
Leftmost, pong
2015-04-29 11918, 2015
Leftmost
Hey. We were discussing how to go about putting together style documents for BB on Friday and thought that asking you for feedback/suggestions would be a good idea.
2015-04-29 11956, 2015
Leftmost
Basically, we're not sure how to structure discussion to avoid the pitfalls of requiring consensus while still striving for it.
2015-04-29 11901, 2015
reosarevok
Well, don't require it would be my suggestion :p
2015-04-29 11927, 2015
reosarevok
Get someone (ideally not just one person but a small group, 3?) to decide
2015-04-29 11911, 2015
reosarevok
Definitely do approach everyone for suggestions and opinions, mind - but just make sure that you have a structure so that one person complaining very loudly doesn't derail the whole thing
2015-04-29 11942, 2015
reosarevok
Of course, some sort of proper voting system might work too, but we haven't been able to play with that much (as you might have seen the best we have for style votes are wiki pages :p)
2015-04-29 11935, 2015
reosarevok
So I can't say it'd work or not, but I suspect if we had something in MB like a banner saying "there are open style votings, you can have your say" and a proper voting system, it'd get more people involved
2015-04-29 11908, 2015
luks
does it make sense to write style documents when you can't even edit a book?
2015-04-29 11936, 2015
Leftmost
luks, you'll be able to as soon as we release again.
2015-04-29 11959, 2015
Leftmost
Interesting thought, reosarevok. Thanks for the feedback.
2015-04-29 11925, 2015
luks
the thing that discogs did recently with all the new databases was definitely a great idea
it's just a fancy UI for editing and displaying JSON files
2015-04-29 11958, 2015
luks
very quick to implement
2015-04-29 11937, 2015
reosarevok
Leftmost: I'd say no if you can get something proper in-site, but dunno. Generally, mailing lists are something *I* like as a user, but a lot of non-techy people do not
2015-04-29 11948, 2015
reosarevok
So it might restrict the amount of people who participate
2015-04-29 11906, 2015
reosarevok
(which is why I try to also have discussions in the forum when looking for opinions)
2015-04-29 11931, 2015
reosarevok
But I'm not too sure :)
2015-04-29 11931, 2015
reosarevok
luks: hmm. they seem to have done without any kind of artist entities for this?
2015-04-29 11934, 2015
reosarevok
Interesting
2015-04-29 11952, 2015
reosarevok
Not the way I'd do it at all, but interesting
2015-04-29 11909, 2015
reosarevok
(I mean, their "artist" entries seem to be a free text search kind of)
2015-04-29 11930, 2015
luks
it's a great way to start
2015-04-29 11958, 2015
reosarevok
Yeah, I guess
2015-04-29 11919, 2015
luks
I get the feeling that bookbrainz is focusing on many things, but not on being a book database
2015-04-29 11935, 2015
reosarevok
For books I'd definitely have gone the way of importing the Open Library data and letting people clean it up, since it's big and nice but just needs merging
2015-04-29 11947, 2015
Leftmost
luks, not on being a book database? What do you mean?
2015-04-29 11920, 2015
luks
Leftmost: you "launched" the project without a way to describe a book
2015-04-29 11923, 2015
reosarevok
For something like movies where there's no good existing open data that I know of though, that makes more sense to me
2015-04-29 11902, 2015
luks
for me, editing raw JSON files would and having a new UI for that would be a better start
2015-04-29 11905, 2015
Leftmost
luks, in what way? And what do you think we're focused on if not being a book database?
2015-04-29 11938, 2015
luks
Leftmost: less focus on technology and more on books
I don't know what that means. My focus is on creating a book database, I assure you.
2015-04-29 11955, 2015
luks
and once you have that, users can start adding books and give you feedback
2015-04-29 11924, 2015
luks
while you have a number of code repositories, python project, nodejs project, etc. and still can't edit books
2015-04-29 11925, 2015
Leftmost
And we can store it all in a nice, pain-in-the-ass way that makes it more difficult to work with it in the future.
2015-04-29 11920, 2015
luks
you are not going to get the model right on the first attempt
2015-04-29 11953, 2015
luks
so you might as well use simpler and more flexible way to do things
2015-04-29 11910, 2015
Leftmost
No, and I don't plan on getting it right on the first attempt. JSON will just make it harder to change the model, though, as it puts the burden on us to update every file consistently when the model changes.
2015-04-29 11944, 2015
Leftmost
It's a moot point, though. In a week or so we'll release an update that allows editing, gathers more information, etc.
2015-04-29 11900, 2015
reosarevok
I mean, while I'd agree it shouldn't be announced widely without proper editing, arguably the official release was a soft release thing, so it probably doesn't matter much
2015-04-29 11901, 2015
Leftmost
BB development has happened in the open for quite some time and this is the first I've heard these plans, so closing the barn doors isn't going to help much.
2015-04-29 11909, 2015
reosarevok
I mean, AFAICT it hasn't really been announced much
2015-04-29 11948, 2015
reosarevok
So as long as the full announcement is made with all the basic stuff in place...
2015-04-29 11953, 2015
Leftmost
We didn't make any broad announcements because we wanted to get feedback from established MB community members who understood that it's in a beta state and have a general idea of what the future should look like.
2015-04-29 11929, 2015
reosarevok
I still think you should import OpenLibrary ;) But I saw you were planning to have some script for that, which I guess is also better than nothing
2015-04-29 11942, 2015
luks
ok, I'm sorry
2015-04-29 11958, 2015
luks
it just seems to me that the project is focusing on the wrong things and repeating some of MBs mistakes, but I'm not really helping
2015-04-29 11907, 2015
luks
I guess I was frustrated with the project since the time it was a haskell experiment
2015-04-29 11938, 2015
Leftmost
I've had my frustrations as well, I just think that we're in a place where the best thing to do is move forward.
2015-04-29 11946, 2015
luks
ok
2015-04-29 11923, 2015
Leftmost
luks, if there are specific issues that you think we should address, beyond the lack of editing since that's in place in the source repo, we're happy to hear them.
