#musicbrainz

It's my understanding that https://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Language/Japa... covers releases like https://musicbrainz.org/release/3fbd429c-7b63-4...

However, I got this https://musicbrainz.org/edit/29944955

Scores for ツインテイルズ search query (artists) are hilarious

I'd agree, yep. He might not have realised it was a JP one :)

It looked like he did and just didn't care.

I had one other editor say the same a while back.

Dunno

I mean, I expect a lot of editors don't even *know* about the Japanese thing (for English titles at least)

Since it's on /Language/Japanese which is an unlikely place for them to visit unless they edit stuff in Japanese

simukis_: I just noticed that. The disamb ("I, will become Twin Tails.") is oddly disturbing.

the anime itself is oddly disturbing

kinda funny tho.

Wow, so this is high-school boys who transform into girls?

note the use of the masculine 'ore' in that title; main character of the show is a guy who transforms into a magical girl with a really impressive 'twintails' hairstyle

only the one guy, the other characters are girls

Basically a moe version of the Sailor Starlights?

or not

the basic idea is to make a parody of magical girl shows incorporating elements of the 'sentai' or whatever genre (ala power rangers, etc)

the series macguffin is of course "the love people have for the twintails hairstyle" - that's what the bad guys are trying to collect and remove from the world, and what powers the super-suits and special attacks.

wtf :D

reosarevok: I humbly sugest to ignore anything related to that.

haha

this is karaoke, publishers, and you should know better.

I thought they used the two words mainly as synonyms

(not that I think that's a smart thing to do :p)

simukis_: yeah, karaoke or カラオケ is sometimes indicated, but instrumental is more popular these days

which gets really annoying when actual instrumental tracks are marked the same way

Usually if a release contains both it'll mark the tracks as to which is which

(e.g. in the case of duet singles, it'll have two partial karaoke tracks and one full karaoke track)

I recall one single - probably a track used as a bleach op, i think? where there were a bunch of tracks that each had one of the band members removed from the mix (i.e. instruments removed and vocals removed)

haha

That's interesting

Instrument "karaoke"?

I guess so; play-along instead of sing-along :)

then there's crazy stuff like http://musicbrainz.org/release/7885c531-7d55-47...

which has individual broken out parts of songs to be used for exercises, and had (iirc) printed copies of the scores.

Cagayake, really? AFAIR it always was Kagayake…

simukis_: It was printed that way.

I almost imported that CD.

Must be localisation for americans…

Nope.

simukis_: http://musicbrainz.org/release/a0e2c7d7-3769-47...

I think they just decided to use the C for stylistic reasons; I think they use it everywhere the band name is printed romanized

I never got a chance to watch the dub before the streams were pulled. Did they re-record any of the music?

I don't think so

re-recording music is way too expensive for any of the studios given current market conditions

(I asked because in an ANN review of the Full Moon o Sagashite dub, they mentioned none of the songs were recorded in English due to licensing issues)

especially knowing how much music there was in K-On too…

They did it for Haruhi

I remember remarking about how bad Wendee Lee's singing voice was

haruhi was in the middle of a massive boom

so i guess they figured they could do it

the time of eve kickstarter had a hell of a time getting the rights to include the Kalafina ending song for the movie on their soundtrack cd, apparently :/

yep, Japanese record labels tend to be snooty

(if it was them giving the Kickstarter folks a hard time and not the artist's talent agency, who was likely much more demanding)

kalafina's on SME, and Sony in paricular, yeah...

but as a result of whatever they had to do to get that, it's the only time I've *ever* seen a printed ISRC on a release.

I remember 4Kids had to pull their subtitled Yu-Gi-Oh! DVDs off shelves because Johnny & Associates refused to license the audio for one of the voice actors

kepstin-laptop: Printed ISRCs are common on Taiwanese releases.

they only printed the ISRC for the one track, of course.

(all the isrcs were embedded into the cd encoding like normal, of course)

The booklet for http://musicbrainz.org/release/1383fc7d-73bf-4e... has all the tracks' ISRCs listed

So does the booklet for http://musicbrainz.org/release/ed9d9cb1-6629-4b... (but I haven't had a chance to scan it yet)

Great, now Hawke is threatening to destroy a release. http://musicbrainz.org/edit/29944955

HibiscusKazeneko: Oh, shush. I just realized that it was an add not an edit — vote changed.

I’m not plotting to destroy your work. There’s no conspiracy.

:-p

It looked like you were willing to destroy it.

Nope, just didn’t look at the edit type.

HibiscusKazeneko: have you noticed your tendency to use language that is more extreme and full of agency than what is actually happening? "threatening to destroy" is actually "harmless error"?

I had no idea it was an error at the time.

sure, but you presumed it was a "threat" to "destroy" ?

those words are both rather strong

HibiscusKazeneko: So you jumped to the conclusion that I was maliciously voting?

and in fact what he said was "If not, I would say this should be normalized"

which seems very non-threatening?

That's a veiled threat.

HibiscusKazeneko: perhaps you have a worldview which views things which are not in fact vieled threats as threats?

He was telling me "Cough up some info or bye-bye."

It's essentially holding me hostage.

HibiscusKazeneko: this meta is exactly what I am trying to engage with. you appear to over-emphasize bad faith, dominance, threats and other types of potential harm.

HibiscusKazeneko: No — I had misinterpreted the comment thread to be about the edit, instead of about the release.

HibiscusKazeneko: no, it's not holding "you" hostage, and your viewing it as holding "you" hostage is part of what I'm talking about.

you seem to generally personalize and impart lots of personalized agency into ambiguous online communication

and in general you seem to assume malice or negativity more than it actually appears

it must be unpleasant for you, so I'm hoping to provide a mirror.

It brings back memories of when I was a Newgrounder, where the mods and admins were known to be abusive.

speaking only for myself, this behavior is literally the only thing I find disagreeable about you; 100% of your other behavior marks you as a very good member of the community

They would routinely ban people for difference of opinion.

HibiscusKazeneko: I understand, and you've referred to this "PTSD" type defensive view

HibiscusKazeneko: but newgrounds are pretty hostile compared to music meta data nerds :)

so perhaps the role of my mirror is merely to suggest that you're safer than you think, and it's ok to let your guard down a little.

newgrounds…is that a forum for discussing coffee? ;-)

I wish

i only recall it as a place having some flash animations, I don't think I ever even had a login on it.

I technically still do, but I stopped using it in December 2010.

Derwin, might I point out that you are doing exactly the same thing to Hibiscus? :)

so it's double mirrors, which are very visually stimulating

(doing exactly the same thing?)

Yes :)

You assume Hibiscus's negativity is negative

wonderfully recursive, I'm honored to see it

It's probably better said that you assume Hibiscus's behavior is negative

I am characterizing her language as negative, yes, and am conjecturing that feeling "threatened" must be unpleasant for her

I also presume it is slightly unpleasant for hawke to be accused of threatening, if he is not doing such a thing.

maybe her language isn't negative as much as exaggerated?

I've had notes added to my edits in the past that looked disturbingly like threats.

your "zero points" for negativity are far from each other on an absolute scale? :D

Those "if you don't cough up info, say bye-bye to this edit" comments sound like threats to me.

Without looking at that, I'd point out that Derwin's point might be better understood as "What we see is mainly what we look for."

to take the charge of "negativity" out of it :)

HibiscusKazeneko: your paraphrases reliably add agency and negative tone to the statements made.

"also, the source you quoted doesn't mention these 2 numbers, so unless you disclose the source of information for these numbers, i'll have to vote it down."

are you talking about a different edit than I am?

that text does not appear on http://musicbrainz.org/edit/29944955 ?

That sounds to me like "give me the info or else your edit goes bye-bye" to me

and it appears I can't look at any of that because I don't yet have an identity on the website lol

derwin: I was referring to http://musicbrainz.org/edit/23445220

and "have to vote it down" is... him saying he will vote.. which is his right as a user?

That's still a threat

how is "have to vote it down" "say bye-bye to this edit"?

you seem to misunderstand how voting is likely to work in a community?

The effect it would have had is my work would have been destroyed

derwin: well, to be fair a single no-vote is often enough to kill an edit.

you have your opinion, he has his. if you convince him, you get to change his. if you don't convince him, he's not threatning you by maintaining his view, and he's not destroying or killing anything?

S/he was asking for info I could not provide at the time.

derwin: unless Hibiscus is attached to the outcome that strongly :)

HibiscusKazeneko: It generally seems fair to ask for evidence to support edits though, does it not?