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      • Musicmix
        Hey guys
      • 2014-01-13 01308, 2014

      • ruaok
        hey
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      • Musicmix
        do you happen to know if there's a global identifier for release_groups/release/recordings/tracks other than mbids?
      • 2014-01-13 01315, 2014

      • Musicmix
        I was using musicbrainz together with echonest, it works well for artist, but they don't provide mb's ids for tracks
      • 2014-01-13 01352, 2014

      • reosarevok
        Not really
      • 2014-01-13 01356, 2014

      • Musicmix
        so I'm having a hard time mapping from one side (echonest) to the other (mb)
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      • reosarevok
        There's ISRC for recordings
      • 2014-01-13 01316, 2014

      • reosarevok
        But those are barely public and there's no comprehensive DB for them
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      • Musicmix
        :|
      • 2014-01-13 01329, 2014

      • Musicmix
        take this for example:
      • 2014-01-13 01343, 2014

      • reosarevok
        I mean, if there were many global IDs we wouldn't need MB that much :)
      • 2014-01-13 01347, 2014

      • Musicmix
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      • luks_
        you could use wikipedia links if the echo nest has them
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      • Musicmix
        no for tracks
      • 2014-01-13 01325, 2014

      • luks_
        right, not for tracks
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      • Musicmix
        but it does have 7digital-US ids for example
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      • Musicmix
        or musixmatch
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      • luks_
        but that's hardly a global ID :)
      • 2014-01-13 01349, 2014

      • reosarevok
        Musicmix: that does have "musicbrainz:track:6d53c749-ad44-495c-a653-351662c3458b" on one of them
      • 2014-01-13 01308, 2014

      • reosarevok
        Maybe it maps when it finds a direct hit
      • 2014-01-13 01309, 2014

      • Musicmix
        yes, sometimes it shows the mb id for tracks, but you can't use that to search
      • 2014-01-13 01319, 2014

      • reosarevok
        That's really a recording MBID
      • 2014-01-13 01323, 2014

      • reosarevok
        Even though it says track
      • 2014-01-13 01335, 2014

      • Musicmix
        what? really? I think I checked that before
      • 2014-01-13 01346, 2014

      • Musicmix
        that would be great! let me see again
      • 2014-01-13 01313, 2014

      • reosarevok
        Well, I just tried to go to http://musicbrainz.org/recording/6d53c749-ad44-49… and it worked
      • 2014-01-13 01327, 2014

      • reosarevok
        We do have track IDs too, but I would expect those to be all recording IDs
      • 2014-01-13 01333, 2014

      • reosarevok
        I have no idea how they do the matching, but :)
      • 2014-01-13 01339, 2014

      • Musicmix
        hmn, interesting
      • 2014-01-13 01351, 2014

      • Musicmix
        I found the same in last fm API
      • 2014-01-13 01358, 2014

      • Musicmix
        tracks for them, are recordings in mb
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      • reosarevok
        Yeah
      • 2014-01-13 01327, 2014

      • reosarevok
        We had tracks before we had recordings
      • 2014-01-13 01355, 2014

      • reosarevok
        So it comes from there - after that we moved to recordings (that can be shared between releases) but the IDs were kept
      • 2014-01-13 01314, 2014

      • reosarevok
        And then we added track IDs for the current track implementation because... well dunno, some people wanted them
      • 2014-01-13 01317, 2014

      • reosarevok
        So it's a bit confusing :9
      • 2014-01-13 01318, 2014

      • reosarevok
        *:)
      • 2014-01-13 01325, 2014

      • Musicmix
        haha
      • 2014-01-13 01330, 2014

      • Musicmix
        I completely agree about that
      • 2014-01-13 01325, 2014

      • Musicmix
        it's weird, if these tracks are recordings..
      • 2014-01-13 01337, 2014

      • Musicmix
        there are a lot of recordings of the same song
      • 2014-01-13 01346, 2014

      • Musicmix
        oh, sure, one in each release!
      • 2014-01-13 01314, 2014

      • Musicmix
        that's why the audio_summary is shared for all of them
      • 2014-01-13 01310, 2014

      • reosarevok
        Yeah, some of them should probably be merged in MusicBrainz, but they aren't yet :)
      • 2014-01-13 01330, 2014

      • reosarevok
        (and some of them might be different mixes, which we don't merge)
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      • hawke1
        Anyone care to weigh in on https://beta.musicbrainz.org/edit/25581297 ?
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      • CallerNo6
        I concede, I'm coming around to the "include all the (label-ish) things" approach.
      • 2014-01-13 01348, 2014

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      • hawke1
        I’m certainly coming around to the idea of not trying to connect a label and a cat no, though some sort of sane way to display/filter them would be nice
      • 2014-01-13 01346, 2014

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      • jesus2099
        hawke1: not connect label to catalogue : http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-5602  ;)
      • 2014-01-13 01321, 2014

      • jesus2099
        “connect catalogue number to release or medium, no more to label”
      • 2014-01-13 01345, 2014

      • hawke1
        Yeah, I voted for that one.
      • 2014-01-13 01310, 2014

      • hawke1
        I dunno, there is clearly some correlation/connection between labels and cat nos…
      • 2014-01-13 01323, 2014

      • hawke1
        but at the same time there are lots of cases where a release simply has a cat no and some labels.
      • 2014-01-13 01317, 2014

      • nikki
        it's already possible to enter them separately if you don't know which ones belong together
      • 2014-01-13 01311, 2014

      • jesus2099
        i would like to always enter separate.
      • 2014-01-13 01320, 2014

      • jesus2099
        so everyone is happy…
      • 2014-01-13 01345, 2014

      • nikki
        except the people who don't want to lose the connection between labels and catnos...
      • 2014-01-13 01357, 2014

      • jesus2099
        i do enter separate usually… but all labels people want to all laabels, and only one label people want to attach it to a specific label
      • 2014-01-13 01337, 2014

      • nikki
        and always entering them separately wouldn't really solve any of the issues here, which is that people don't agree what should be a release label
      • 2014-01-13 01306, 2014

      • jesus2099
        only-one label people say this is production label, cat# belongs to this and we don’t niclude other labels… all labels people say this catalogue is issued by that big label so i set it to it and this is production label with no catalogue
      • 2014-01-13 01334, 2014

      • jesus2099
        and there are even other different peoples
      • 2014-01-13 01356, 2014

      • jesus2099
        as this is really not interesting discussion, we couldn’t set to a label would end those discussions
      • 2014-01-13 01339, 2014

      • jesus2099
        i mean i can’t go back to my collection every now and then to re-add the deleted labels…
      • 2014-01-13 01308, 2014

      • jesus2099
        and find the catalogue has moved to another one etc.
      • 2014-01-13 01359, 2014

      • jesus2099
        sorry, i’m pissed off because i bought some crap CD and crap games too, i shouldn’t have buy anything last week
      • 2014-01-13 01308, 2014

      • hawke1
        It does sometimes seem like we could use some way to say that a release is in the catalog of some label (based on cat no.) without actually being released under that imprint (due to no logo)
      • 2014-01-13 01321, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        But surely there are releases that have a label but no logo.
      • 2014-01-13 01359, 2014

      • jesus2099
        there is no drawback to set all that we see on release, imo. only goodness.
      • 2014-01-13 01329, 2014

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      • jesus2099
        we could have a PRIMARY checkbox for people who only give their love to one label per release
      • 2014-01-13 01334, 2014

      • nikki
        you'll be adding the compact disc logo as a label then? :P
      • 2014-01-13 01350, 2014

      • jesus2099
        NICE PRICE
      • 2014-01-13 01355, 2014

      • jesus2099
        PAS CHER !
      • 2014-01-13 01359, 2014

      • jesus2099
        VU À LA TÉLÉ !
      • 2014-01-13 01313, 2014

      • jesus2099
        GÉNIAL !
      • 2014-01-13 01322, 2014

      • jesus2099
         :)
      • 2014-01-13 01323, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        of course this conversation would be easier if we agreed on what "label" means
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      • Freso
        CallerNo6: It's something you stick on something (else).
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      • CallerNo6
        I thought that was a signifier.
      • 2014-01-13 01317, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        Or a bandaid.
      • 2014-01-13 01322, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        See, I'm confused.
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      • jesus2099
        hey hawke1 you were the only voter on MBS-5602 and we are suddenly 5 now ? cool, man…
      • 2014-01-13 01326, 2014

      • _flow_
        Is there a policy regarding adding incomplete releases?
      • 2014-01-13 01311, 2014

      • jesus2099
        none, do your best ! ;)
      • 2014-01-13 01322, 2014

      • warp
        _flow_: data you enter should be correct, but there is no requirement for it be complete.
      • 2014-01-13 01334, 2014

      • warp
        (ofcourse, more data is better, obviously :)
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      • jesus2099
        i’ve already entered just 1CD of a million CD release because 1. i only have this CD 2. it’s a very long release otherwise
      • 2014-01-13 01315, 2014

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      • CallerNo6
        _flow_: more generally, an edit that improves the quality and breadth of the database is a good edit, regardless of how complete it is.
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      • _flow_
        So this is true for http://musicbrainz.org/edit/25643459 also?
      • 2014-01-13 01351, 2014

      • warp
        _flow_: I'd consider that incorrect data, because it appears to users that a 1-track release exists.
      • 2014-01-13 01321, 2014

      • warp
        (though ofcourse you could argue the the same for missing discs)
      • 2014-01-13 01323, 2014

      • _flow_
        warp: well, then every incomplete released add is 'incorrect'
      • 2014-01-13 01347, 2014

      • chirlu`
        _flow_: Also, how do you know it will be in a jewel case?
      • 2014-01-13 01355, 2014

      • Freso
        Depends on your definition of incomplete.
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      • jesus2099
        missing discs is OK… but incomplete disc is NG, imo… :)
      • 2014-01-13 01329, 2014

      • Freso
        I don't think I've seen a really complete release yet in MB.
      • 2014-01-13 01344, 2014

      • _flow_
        jesus2099: what is the difference?
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      • jesus2099
        it is very different
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      • _flow_
        And where is the harm in a incomplete release?
      • 2014-01-13 01302, 2014

      • jesus2099
        when you insert a CD in drive, you won’t be able to lookup
      • 2014-01-13 01321, 2014

      • jesus2099
        so the MB release is useless to identify a CD
      • 2014-01-13 01328, 2014

      • _flow_
        jesus2099: yes, but you won't be able to lookup if the releasee is missing entirely
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      • _flow_
        so no harm there
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      • nikki
        if the tracklist is incomplete, you also can't fix it properly
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      • jesus2099
        yes i am able to lookup is there is mùy CD in MB
      • 2014-01-13 01303, 2014

      • nikki
        since you'll have to wait for the edit to add the missing tracks to be added
      • 2014-01-13 01310, 2014

      • nikki
        er, to be accepted
      • 2014-01-13 01311, 2014

      • jesus2099
        it’s what i do on some of my CD
      • 2014-01-13 01338, 2014

      • nikki notes that http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-3235 is relevant here
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      • _flow_
        nikki: you will have to wait for a release to be added too
      • 2014-01-13 01346, 2014

      • _flow_
        IIRC
      • 2014-01-13 01348, 2014

      • nikki
        no