#musicbrainz

Hey guys

hey

do you happen to know if there's a global identifier for release_groups/release/recordings/tracks other than mbids?

I was using musicbrainz together with echonest, it works well for artist, but they don't provide mb's ids for tracks

Not really

so I'm having a hard time mapping from one side (echonest) to the other (mb)

There's ISRC for recordings

But those are barely public and there's no comprehensive DB for them

:|

take this for example:

I mean, if there were many global IDs we wouldn't need MB that much :)

you could use wikipedia links if the echo nest has them

no for tracks

right, not for tracks

but it does have 7digital-US ids for example

or musixmatch

but that's hardly a global ID :)

Musicmix: that does have "musicbrainz:track:6d53c749-ad44-495c-a653-351662c3458b" on one of them

Maybe it maps when it finds a direct hit

yes, sometimes it shows the mb id for tracks, but you can't use that to search

That's really a recording MBID

Even though it says track

what? really? I think I checked that before

that would be great! let me see again

Well, I just tried to go to http://musicbrainz.org/recording/6d53c749-ad44-... and it worked

We do have track IDs too, but I would expect those to be all recording IDs

I have no idea how they do the matching, but :)

hmn, interesting

I found the same in last fm API

tracks for them, are recordings in mb

Yeah

We had tracks before we had recordings

So it comes from there - after that we moved to recordings (that can be shared between releases) but the IDs were kept

And then we added track IDs for the current track implementation because... well dunno, some people wanted them

So it's a bit confusing :9

*:)

haha

I completely agree about that

it's weird, if these tracks are recordings..

there are a lot of recordings of the same song

oh, sure, one in each release!

that's why the audio_summary is shared for all of them

Yeah, some of them should probably be merged in MusicBrainz, but they aren't yet :)

(and some of them might be different mixes, which we don't merge)

Anyone care to weigh in on https://beta.musicbrainz.org/edit/25581297 ?

I concede, I'm coming around to the "include all the (label-ish) things" approach.

I’m certainly coming around to the idea of not trying to connect a label and a cat no, though some sort of sane way to display/filter them would be nice

hawke1: not connect label to catalogue : http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-5602  ;)

“connect catalogue number to release or medium, no more to label”

Yeah, I voted for that one.

I dunno, there is clearly some correlation/connection between labels and cat nos…

but at the same time there are lots of cases where a release simply has a cat no and some labels.

it's already possible to enter them separately if you don't know which ones belong together

i would like to always enter separate.

so everyone is happy…

except the people who don't want to lose the connection between labels and catnos...

i do enter separate usually… but all labels people want to all laabels, and only one label people want to attach it to a specific label

and always entering them separately wouldn't really solve any of the issues here, which is that people don't agree what should be a release label

only-one label people say this is production label, cat# belongs to this and we don’t niclude other labels… all labels people say this catalogue is issued by that big label so i set it to it and this is production label with no catalogue

as this is really not interesting discussion, we couldn’t set to a label would end those discussions

i mean i can’t go back to my collection every now and then to re-add the deleted labels…

and find the catalogue has moved to another one etc.

sorry, i’m pissed off because i bought some crap CD and crap games too, i shouldn’t have buy anything last week

It does sometimes seem like we could use some way to say that a release is in the catalog of some label (based on cat no.) without actually being released under that imprint (due to no logo)

But surely there are releases that have a label but no logo.

there is no drawback to set all that we see on release, imo. only goodness.

we could have a PRIMARY checkbox for people who only give their love to one label per release

you'll be adding the compact disc logo as a label then? :P

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 :)

of course this conversation would be easier if we agreed on what "label" means

CallerNo6: It's something you stick on something (else).

I thought that was a signifier.

Or a bandaid.

See, I'm confused.

hey hawke1 you were the only voter on MBS-5602 and we are suddenly 5 now ? cool, man…

Is there a policy regarding adding incomplete releases?

none, do your best ! ;)

_flow_: data you enter should be correct, but there is no requirement for it be complete.

(ofcourse, more data is better, obviously :)

i’ve already entered just 1CD of a million CD release because 1. i only have this CD 2. it’s a very long release otherwise

_flow_: more generally, an edit that improves the quality and breadth of the database is a good edit, regardless of how complete it is.

So this is true for http://musicbrainz.org/edit/25643459 also?

_flow_: I'd consider that incorrect data, because it appears to users that a 1-track release exists.

(though ofcourse you could argue the the same for missing discs)

warp: well, then every incomplete released add is 'incorrect'

_flow_: Also, how do you know it will be in a jewel case?

Depends on your definition of incomplete.

missing discs is OK… but incomplete disc is NG, imo… :)

I don't think I've seen a really complete release yet in MB.

jesus2099: what is the difference?

it is very different

And where is the harm in a incomplete release?

when you insert a CD in drive, you won’t be able to lookup

so the MB release is useless to identify a CD

jesus2099: yes, but you won't be able to lookup if the releasee is missing entirely

so no harm there

if the tracklist is incomplete, you also can't fix it properly

yes i am able to lookup is there is mùy CD in MB

since you'll have to wait for the edit to add the missing tracks to be added

er, to be accepted

it’s what i do on some of my CD

nikki: you will have to wait for a release to be added too

IIRC

no