I use your jasrac importer for songs they have their DB
2014-01-22 02231, 2014
Nyanko-sensei
*for the songs they have in their DB
2014-01-22 02236, 2014
jesus2099
oh cool,
2014-01-22 02252, 2014
Nyanko-sensei
I'm eating words. that's a sign I should head to sleep soon
2014-01-22 02207, 2014
Nyanko-sensei
I'll send the RFV before that, though
2014-01-22 02215, 2014
jesus2099
songs that are not there are either too much indie or either on a release that too much recent… it takes several weeks before you can see new release in both minc and jasrac
2014-01-22 02249, 2014
Nyanko-sensei
none of songs I added in past weeks are in JASRAC
2014-01-22 02258, 2014
Nyanko-sensei
too indie for their tastes
2014-01-22 02212, 2014
jesus2099
not taste… it’s just that artist didn’t get in touch with them
2014-01-22 02227, 2014
jesus2099
they didn’t took the optio nto make their royalties managed by JASRAC
2014-01-22 02247, 2014
Nyanko-sensei
I suppose so. they're not on big labels anyway
2014-01-22 02249, 2014
jesus2099
it’s probably not free
2014-01-22 02204, 2014
Nyanko-sensei
I'd assume so. big labels might have a discount
2014-01-22 02210, 2014
Nyanko-sensei
meanwhile, mortals...
2014-01-22 02259, 2014
reosarevok
Heh
2014-01-22 02208, 2014
reosarevok
I thought it was "mandatory" in Japan
2014-01-22 02216, 2014
jesus2099
reosarevok: second time you say “heh”
2014-01-22 02235, 2014
jesus2099
well, not
2014-01-22 02210, 2014
Nyanko-sensei
it's mandatory for big labels, not everyone
2014-01-22 02214, 2014
jesus2099
in france where it’s SACEM… if you write music, you are not mandatory to submit subscribe SACEM…… it’s just you won’t be (as) protected if you don’t
2014-01-22 02235, 2014
jesus2099
so these stuff are never mandatory… it’s just whether you choose or not their protection
2014-01-22 02245, 2014
jesus2099
their care
2014-01-22 02218, 2014
jesus2099
and in exchange they will make all their efforst to collect your royalties each time your music is played, sold etc.
2014-01-22 02244, 2014
warp
jesus2099: the contracts often involve the artist giving up lots of rights, so many smaller artists are not that keen on them.
2014-01-22 02207, 2014
jesus2099
giving up what kind of rights ? i must say i’m surprised
2014-01-22 02225, 2014
jesus2099
it officially means you make your rights stand up
2014-01-22 02212, 2014
jesus2099
oh maybe the rights to distribute some stuff for free or such…… ? maybe i don’t know the detils but i see some licenced artist still giving gifts away…
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Freso
jesus2099: I assume SACEM is similar to the Danish KODA. For songs you submit to KODA, you basically give up all rights to manage that music yourself.
2014-01-22 02216, 2014
reosarevok
In Spain at least for example, your rights to play them in a concert without the venue having to pay a "tax" on them
2014-01-22 02220, 2014
Freso
So you can't give permission (according to the KODA contract) for someone else to use your music, even if you think they're great, without getting KODA involved.
2014-01-22 02214, 2014
Freso
Which has also meant that you couldn't release music under e.g. Creative Commons licenses if you also had it registered with KODA.
2014-01-22 02256, 2014
Freso
KODA now has some CC license options, but only BY-NC or something like that. Last I checked, there weren't any CC ones without the NC clause anyway.
2014-01-22 02257, 2014
jesus2099
but you can make some recordings that you don’t submit to them even if you submit most of yours… so you can make a CC from time to time
2014-01-22 02203, 2014
warp
jesus2099: I think with Buma/Stemra (the dutch one) the copyrights of all of the works by the artist are signed over to the the copyright collective, so the artist can do very little with their own stuff.
2014-01-22 02214, 2014
Freso
Yeah.
2014-01-22 02238, 2014
jesus2099
reosarevok: i doubt they would block a cover performance, it’s just that they want to make sure the royalty is paid in return, no ?
2014-01-22 02248, 2014
reosarevok
I'm not talking of a cover
2014-01-22 02250, 2014
jesus2099
those are made for the artists, like a syndicate…
2014-01-22 02253, 2014
reosarevok
I'm talking of the original band
2014-01-22 02217, 2014
Freso
jesus2099: That's what they claim, yes. :)
2014-01-22 02221, 2014
jesus2099
and maybe this “tax” is actually your copyright and it will return to yuo ?
2014-01-22 02234, 2014
reosarevok
If the original band wants to play for free (for a charity concert or whatever, or because they're their friends), the venue still needs to pay a part of the income to this society
2014-01-22 02239, 2014
Freso
jesus2099: Sure, but if the tax leads to them not getting played at all.
2014-01-22 02242, 2014
Freso
..
2014-01-22 02252, 2014
jesus2099
i think in the end, the artist is winner
2014-01-22 02252, 2014
reosarevok
Which *might* eventually return to you, but that's not what you wanted to happen with the money :p
2014-01-22 02224, 2014
jesus2099
if you don’t subnscribe one of them, i can’t imagine you’re able to manage anything yourslef
2014-01-22 02228, 2014
Freso
I'm not saying organisations like SACEM/KODA/etc. are all bad, just that they're not all good. :)
2014-01-22 02229, 2014
jesus2099
and still being creative etc.
2014-01-22 02229, 2014
reosarevok
Also in Spain at least, only the top sellers have any decision power, and usually for smaller artists they don't even bother to pay them unless they require them to
2014-01-22 02256, 2014
reosarevok
(so, you have to write to them and be like "dudes, you have my money" - if you don't, after a few years, they keep it)
2014-01-22 02256, 2014
Freso
(But definitely better than the big record labels regardless.)
2014-01-22 02218, 2014
Freso
KODA is better in that regard... but then, Denmark vs. Spain... I'm not surprised. :p
2014-01-22 02226, 2014
reosarevok
heh
2014-01-22 02230, 2014
reosarevok
I mean, it might be a bit better now
2014-01-22 02231, 2014
jesus2099
“heh” again ?
2014-01-22 02238, 2014
jesus2099
;)
2014-01-22 02242, 2014
reosarevok
After the previous board was arrested for corruption :p
2014-01-22 02247, 2014
Freso
Anyway. I need to get packed and leave for my class.
2014-01-22 02249, 2014
Freso
reosarevok: :p
2014-01-22 02259, 2014
Freso
<3 Spanish institutions
2014-01-22 02200, 2014
jesus2099
wow ha ha
2014-01-22 02208, 2014
reosarevok
But probably not much better
2014-01-22 02220, 2014
reosarevok
Freso: naaah, they got arrested! They're an anomaly
2014-01-22 02227, 2014
reosarevok
Normally they'd just get away with it
2014-01-22 02247, 2014
reosarevok
But go go go
2014-01-22 02252, 2014
jesus2099
[Spain’s] it might be a bit better now
2014-01-22 02253, 2014
warp
that they got arrested just means they're less competent than their counterparts in other countries. ;)
2014-01-22 02215, 2014
jesus2099
[Spain’s] it might be a bit better now after the previous board was arrested for corruption ← wow ha ha :D
2014-01-22 02217, 2014
reosarevok
And that their counterparts in politics and large companies, yeah
2014-01-22 02235, 2014
reosarevok
(or less friendly with the justice / police, dunno)
2014-01-22 02253, 2014
reosarevok
(which I guess in these positions, and in Spain, does imply "less competent" :p)
2014-01-22 02227, 2014
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Nyanko-sensei
reosarevok: how does one make a wiki account?
2014-01-22 02217, 2014
kepstin-laptop__
go to the wiki, click the log in/create account link in the top right
