(That's a Haskell happy author of that article, anyway.)
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Mineo
that's the case for most articles related to functional programming in wikipedia
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Mineo
(and please don't apply that principle to edit notes, you're making life harder for everyone :P)
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Freso
Mineo++
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Freso
simukis_: Keep in mind that people may ask about your edits in 1, 5, 10 years. At which point it isn't certain you're still around to answer them.
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Freso
(You don't bother with MB anymore, you've changed your e-mail and didn't reflect it in your MB settings, you were hit by a bus, you are on a 3 year long trip to Mars, etc.)
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simukis_
AFAIK trips to Mars are only one-way nowadays…
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Freso
simukis_: I'm talking in 1 or 5 or 10 years. :)
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Freso
On a release: "Mastered by [person] except "Turn It Up" mastered by [someone else]"
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Yurim
Hi! I want to understand how to use the "writer" vs. "composer"/"lyricist" relationships. The doc says I could use the former when it's unclear if their individual roles were unclear (http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Relationships#Ex…) Can ISWC help? When a person is credited "CA", is this a reliable source for "composer"/"lyricist" relationships?
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reosarevok
Not really
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reosarevok
Well, depends
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reosarevok
If the credits are *right*, then yes
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reosarevok
But fairly often they just credit everyone as CA anyway since that determines how royalties are paid
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Yurim
I see.
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reosarevok
If you don't have any clear statement of who did what, you can just go for writer
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Yurim
Does this paragraph mean that I can always use composer/lyricist relationships if only one artist is credited (and the work has both music and text)?
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drsaunders
ISWC doesn't have the equivalent to our writer
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reosarevok
Normally, yes :)
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drsaunders
so when they don't know they credit both
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reosarevok
(I guess there might be some case where it is using uncredited public domain lyrics or something, but that sounds like an edge case)
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Yurim
Ok. What do you use as a reference for these relationships (other than the release itself)?
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reosarevok
Generally, just the release - if not, unless I know someone from ISWC is obviously the lyricist and someone obviously the composer (say, because one is a producer and one a rapper, in a rap song), I'd probably just go with writer
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reosarevok
Well, for classical music it's different, of course :)
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Yurim
of course. everything is different for classical music *rollseyes*
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drsaunders
also keep in mind that almost every instrumental recording has a lyrics credit in ISWC, so you can't use them to determine if there's lyrics or not
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CallerNo6
I would accept a primary source (the writer) in an interview or blog post or something like that if you can find one.
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reosarevok
Yeah, I would be ok with that as a reference I imagine :) I don't generally *use it* because it sounds like too much effort for the sake of one work to try to find that when there are hundreds of thousands missing, but if you have it at hand, why not I guess
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Yurim
ok, so except for the release and individual research there is no definitive (or at lease generally helpful) resource? No silver bullet, guys?
I personally would not, but not for any legal reasons, it just feels pointless in most cases
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reosarevok
I mean, how do you add it? As a series? A release?
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warp
I wouldn't object to a new entity for that purpose (though I'm not sure enough people would care that we should bother implementing it).
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gioele
reosarevok: I'd go for release (they studied it for a why, they the released it to their public), medium is hard...
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reosarevok
I don't agree it's a release
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reosarevok
And I doubt our customers and data users would either - it would be funny for Spotify to get their own playlists as releases, but I don't think they'd be particularly happy about it :p
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CallerNo6
I agree with reo's disagreement
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reosarevok
I would also be OK with it being some new entity, but I know I'm not interested enough to actually implement it myself
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reosarevok
Dunno if someone else would be
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CallerNo6
what would a playlist hold? recordings or works depending on the context?
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warp
recordings
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reosarevok
Yeah, I guess you can't really play works, so that'd be just a list with no play :D
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reosarevok
(so, a dull list)
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CallerNo6
I guess I was thinking more of a setlist when I asked.
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reosarevok
haha
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CallerNo6 wasn't being funny, just dumb
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reosarevok
Setlists will initially hold text, in our events implementation, because mostly we had no idea how to answer that question for them
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reosarevok
(well, and because building them to be more fancy than that would take a lot of effort, but :p)
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drsaunders
i'm also against playlists
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gioele
in theory I'd be against playlists as well, but now I have thought of it, I fail to see the difference between an internet release (list of titles, link to MP3, click to listen, right click to download) and an internet playlist with videos (list of titles, link to Video, click to listen, something more complicated to download)
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reosarevok
It's pretty rare to have digital releases which are really like that anymore, I'd say - but even those usually have the *presentation* of a release
