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      • Cuan
        Unless I deleted an artist credit before, then the delete button has focus.

        • 2014-07-01 18233, 2014

      • Cuan
        So there's no consistent keyboard shortcut to speak of.

        • 2014-07-01 18258, 2014

      • Cuan
        Just what your browser does.

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      • CallerNo6
        Why wouldn't you just tab between fields. Tabbing four times seems faster than reaching for some goofy arrow key :-)

        • 2014-07-01 18202, 2014

      • CallerNo6 should try to put question marks at the end of his questions, just to see how it goes.

        • 2014-07-01 18206, 2014

      • hawke
        CallerNo6: because it’s five tabs to move down one field.

        • 2014-07-01 18253, 2014

      • hawke
        Wait

        • 2014-07-01 18255, 2014

      • hawke
        make that 9 tabs

        • 2014-07-01 18204, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        ?

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      • hawke
        artist credit, edit button, duration, guess case, delete track, move track up, move track down, track duration, track title

        • 2014-07-01 18258, 2014

      • hawke
        er — second 'duration' should be 'number'

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      • CallerNo6
        huh. my browser skips some of those

        • 2014-07-01 18208, 2014

      • hawke
        <rant>but OMG people on mac don’t know how to use home/end so we’ll make up/down move left/right instead!</rant>

        • 2014-07-01 18211, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        I get five. Faster (for me) than reaching away from the "home position" or whatever typists call it.

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      • CallerNo6
        mac users get what they deserve :-P

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      • xram
        ah yes enter key is not perfect

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      • xram
        I thought it was the shortcut I was looking for

        • 2014-07-01 18257, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        (although I gotta say, the new mac pro is pretty cool looking)

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      • hawke
        Enter key would probably be a good choice, since it at least is designed as a newline

        • 2014-07-01 18216, 2014

      • hawke
        designed→expected

        • 2014-07-01 18222, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        don't spreadsheets and tabular things generally use up/down arrow?

        • 2014-07-01 18248, 2014

      • Cuan
        Spreadsheets always do the thing you don't want.

        • 2014-07-01 18256, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        haha, true

        • 2014-07-01 18228, 2014

      • Cuan
        Autocomplete/-format when you don't want it.

        • 2014-07-01 18234, 2014

      • Cuan
        etc.

        • 2014-07-01 18225, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        I always thought that spreadsheet editing was logical, and it was my fault for not being able to do it efficiently.

        • 2014-07-01 18234, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        Maybe someday I'll understand.

        • 2014-07-01 18221, 2014

      • Cuan
        Users aren't logical.

        • 2014-07-01 18255, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        (oh, it's five "tabs" for me because the release I was editing had ghosted track times. So six tabs. Maybe that's a bit much.)

        • 2014-07-01 18213, 2014

      • Cuan
        And then there's differences between different office suites, or just the personal customizations.

        • 2014-07-01 18233, 2014

      • Cuan
        Having to work with someone else's configuration can be a horror sometimes.

        • 2014-07-01 18244, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        The solution is obvious. vi-mode for all the things!

        • 2014-07-01 18245, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        huh. actually, I should try vimperator with the release editor.

        • 2014-07-01 18223, 2014

      • hawke
        To me the solution is obvious: ignore the Mac insanity and do the obviously-correct thing. ;-)

        • 2014-07-01 18200, 2014

      • derwin
        there's a related thing I hate

        • 2014-07-01 18214, 2014

      • derwin
        where chrome on mac scrolls a web page once you get to the top of a text box

        • 2014-07-01 18226, 2014

      • derwin
        15 years of using web browsers and that never worked like that

        • 2014-07-01 18249, 2014

      • hawke
        (oh, and one problem with 'enter' is that it only goes down, not up)

        • 2014-07-01 18210, 2014

      • derwin
        oh, and don't get me started on soundcloud taking over "spacebar" to no longer mean "page down"

        • 2014-07-01 18243, 2014

      • CallerNo6 remembers why he doesn't use vimperator

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      • hawke
        derwin: I like that. better than having to hope there’s somewhere you can tab to that lets you scroll

        • 2014-07-01 18237, 2014

      • derwin
        hawke: what I end up doing is hitting "fn-down"

        • 2014-07-01 18243, 2014

      • derwin
        hawke: ... because my mac has no page down

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      • hawke
        (or being unable to tab if the textarea allows entry of tab chars)

        • 2014-07-01 18253, 2014

      • antihero
        nobody has voted on the edit I made yesterday :( is that normal? http://musicbrainz.org/edit/28311870

        • 2014-07-01 18254, 2014

      • hawke
        antihero: very normal. Don’t worry though, if no one votes against it, it will be accepted.

        • 2014-07-01 18228, 2014

      • antihero
        hawke: cool. Is there a way to get beets to use non-voted edits?

        • 2014-07-01 18238, 2014

      • hawke
        antihero: Not that I know of.

        • 2014-07-01 18218, 2014

      • hawke
        antihero: I don’t think there’s any way for beets to retrieve a 'future data' view, since even Musicbrainz can’t do that.

        • 2014-07-01 18225, 2014

      • antihero
        hawke: makes sense

        • 2014-07-01 18206, 2014

      • antihero
        ooh, TIL ncmpcpp has super simple mass editing

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      • derwin
        btw, antihero, #beets also exists and is friendly :)

        • 2014-07-01 18230, 2014

      • antihero
        derwin: thanks!

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      • Mineo wishes that bugfeature where the way beets writes tags to vorbis comments causes them to show up twice in ncmpcpp would get fixed :/

        • 2014-07-01 18211, 2014

      • derwin
        it parses both the vorbis and id3 and displays both or?

        • 2014-07-01 18211, 2014

      • Mineo
        no, beets writes some tags twice with different keys (for example "track" and "tracknumber") and mpd reads both and passes them to ncmpcpp

        • 2014-07-01 18219, 2014

      • Mineo
        though I have no idea which of the 3 programs is doing the wrong thing there

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      • sampsyo
        IMHO, ncmpcpp :)

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      • sampsyo
        but we should still fix beets to compensate

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      • hawke
        sampsyo: I could see it either way — I’d rather beets would pick one to standardize on.

        • 2014-07-01 18201, 2014

      • sampsyo
        Yes, it's possible that should be the default -- the advantage this way is that the greatest variety of other software is not surprised (ncmpcpp being the only tool that has problems with multiple keys)

        • 2014-07-01 18228, 2014

      • sampsyo
        And in the status quo, it's impossible to say which other tools would break if we made a change. Hence, inertia.

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      • CallerNo6
        argg. foodies ruin everything. http://blog.archive.org/2014/06/30/happy-hour-int…

        • 2014-07-01 18201, 2014

      • derwin
        ?

        • 2014-07-01 18242, 2014

      • CallerNo6 rejects artisinal-foodie culture

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      • CallerNo6
        (and also refuses to use the word "yummy" with anybody older than three)

        • 2014-07-01 18201, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        Otherwise, sounds like a fun gig.

        • 2014-07-01 18206, 2014

      • CatQuest
        [17:04] <CallerNo6> mac users get what they deserve :-P

        • 2014-07-01 18211, 2014

      • CatQuest
        hey man don't be like that :P

        • 2014-07-01 18226, 2014

      • CatQuest
        (but yea it kinda sucks there is no home/end key)

        • 2014-07-01 18202, 2014

      • CatQuest
        oohh fn down and up works like page up and page down. neat!

        • 2014-07-01 18201, 2014

      • derwin
        yeah, handy huh.

        • 2014-07-01 18220, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        functional, even

        • 2014-07-01 18224, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        :-P

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      • CatQuest
        hey derwin sorry about waiting for that share document thing, I didn't get mail because I was an idiot and someohwo closed the "mail" tab

        • 2014-07-01 18238, 2014

      • CatQuest
        :P

        • 2014-07-01 18203, 2014

      • derwin
        ah, d'oh!

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      • CatQuest
        anyway I'm off to go make onion soup :D

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      • drsaunde
        If you don't believe your country should come before yourself; You can better serve your country, by living somewhere else - Stompin Tom Connors

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      • drsaunde
        Happy Canada Day everyone!

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      • drsaunde
        Lotheric: Happy Canada Day!

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      • drsaunde
        Navap: Happy Canada Day!

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      • drsaunde
        kepstin_: Happy Canada Day!

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      • CallerNo6
        Canada: Happy Yourself Day!

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      • VxJasonxV
        lulz

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