... but before I get started, too much other stuff around that has to be done first.
2014-07-24 20506, 2014
kepstin
so not getting started at all.
2014-07-24 20508, 2014
kepstin
owell.
2014-07-24 20540, 2014
Freso
n1md4: Also, I do appreciate fanart.tv - they actually rely on MBIDs for their music section (so basically, you can "only" add fanart for stuff which has been added to MB), and they have a limited scope that doesn't overlap with MB's.
2014-07-24 20554, 2014
Freso
Well, it does a tiny bit now with the CAA, I guess. But still.
2014-07-24 20526, 2014
n1md4
Yeah, British.
2014-07-24 20534, 2014
n1md4
I've had too many 4AMs this week!
2014-07-24 20550, 2014
kepstin looks at a picture of the earth to cheer himself up, then heads off to do other stuff. https://twitter.com/astro_reid/status/492096485220024320
2014-07-24 20555, 2014
n1md4
Without other responsibilities I'd be awake at night and sleep all day :)
2014-07-24 20513, 2014
Freso
TheAudioDB would be good if they'd followed in fanart.tv's footstep's and relied on MB data, which TADB could then attach moods, genres, images, whatever to in addition to the data MB supplies/-d.
2014-07-24 20523, 2014
Freso
n1md4: A lot of us would. :)
2014-07-24 20530, 2014
Freso is Danish == 2 AM
2014-07-24 20537, 2014
n1md4
hehe
2014-07-24 20538, 2014
Freso
* =>
2014-07-24 20548, 2014
kepstin
from the theaudiodb site, it looks like their metadata is straight-up just musicbrainz imports
2014-07-24 20558, 2014
Freso
kepstin: Most of it is.
2014-07-24 20559, 2014
kepstin
although they store a copy locally with possible user modifications :/
2014-07-24 20510, 2014
n1md4
well, I said no more edits .. 2AM is a reasonable time to start thinking about bed
2014-07-24 20515, 2014
Freso
Being imports, it also means they don't get updates from the MB metadata.
2014-07-24 20522, 2014
kepstin
yeah
2014-07-24 20506, 2014
kepstin
and they track at our release group level, and ask folks to pick a representative tracklist for the album.
2014-07-24 20526, 2014
n1md4
do you ever have a meeting of heads of these various projects?
2014-07-24 20533, 2014
n1md4
it could really pay off!
2014-07-24 20546, 2014
kepstin
unless they happen to meet at music tech meetups or hackfests, no
2014-07-24 20558, 2014
Freso
Well, we have some "collaborating" with Discogs.
2014-07-24 20548, 2014
Freso
But that's mostly just getting a data dump (which may be freely accessible anyway?) and being allowed to import that through Geordi.
the foss community survives because (not only) there's a sea of ideas - but sometimes it's good to gather the waters, and do something intelligent, instead of swimming against the tide of one another ... or have I just had too much to drink :)
2014-07-24 20501, 2014
Freso
Spotify has been represented at at least the last two MusicBrainz Summits.
2014-07-24 20516, 2014
n1md4
how'd you feel about spotify?
2014-07-24 20521, 2014
Freso shrugs
2014-07-24 20530, 2014
n1md4
I'm not sure I like them, but don't know how to say why
2014-07-24 20531, 2014
kepstin wonders whether they'll roll out in canada before the next summit :)
2014-07-24 20540, 2014
Freso
They don't carry a lot of the music I listen to.
2014-07-24 20541, 2014
n1md4
likely their licensing I suppose ...
2014-07-24 20551, 2014
kepstin
admittedly, I'm not sure I'd really use spotify, they don't carry a lot of the music I listen to
2014-07-24 20559, 2014
n1md4
hh
2014-07-24 20521, 2014
Freso
(Like I said, most MB's have a tendency to like more obscure music. :p)
2014-07-24 20524, 2014
Freso
*MB'ers
2014-07-24 20533, 2014
kepstin
(I have yet to hear of a streaming service that carries japanese pop music, particularly doujin stuff like touhou arranges...)
2014-07-24 20537, 2014
n1md4
too much exposure to mainstream, no doubt!
2014-07-24 20506, 2014
n1md4
theres' too much out there to rely on 1 service alone
2014-07-24 20511, 2014
Freso
I listen to a fair amount of b-boy mixtapes and, well, generally hip hop, r&b, dancehall etc. mixtapes.
2014-07-24 20530, 2014
Freso
As well as underground hip hop artists.
2014-07-24 20555, 2014
Freso
That kind of non-commercial stuff only rarely makes it onto channels such as Spotify.
2014-07-24 20508, 2014
kepstin
I'm tempted by stuff like google play which lets you upload to the cloud, but why would I do that when I could just carry around everything on a 160g ipod and save the cell data fees...
2014-07-24 20527, 2014
n1md4
true
2014-07-24 20511, 2014
n1md4
i couldn't be without my daap share ;) although "shamefully" my music tastes are reasonably mainstream ... I blame the radi.
2014-07-24 20515, 2014
n1md4
radio*
2014-07-24 20528, 2014
Freso
Heh.
2014-07-24 20535, 2014
Freso
I never listen to the radio anymore. :p
2014-07-24 20536, 2014
kepstin
the one radio station in the area that I almost care about, the country music station, my receiver can only pick up in mono... it sounds better as an internet stream :/
2014-07-24 20551, 2014
CallerNo6
Freso should move to where the good radio stations are!
2014-07-24 20501, 2014
n1md4
_mostly_ I don't like the idea that someone else controls what I can or can't listen to, so create my own library.
2014-07-24 20512, 2014
Freso
n1md4: +1
2014-07-24 20519, 2014
n1md4
even if it's likely never to be taken offline (spotify etc)
2014-07-24 20539, 2014
n1md4
I'm a collector too :)
2014-07-24 20548, 2014
Freso
I don't know. I wouldn't bet on Spotify being around in, say, 10 years.
2014-07-24 20557, 2014
Freso
But I can make sure my FLAC rips etc. are.
2014-07-24 20559, 2014
n1md4
That's true.
2014-07-24 20529, 2014
n1md4
Oh yes! I stream with compression, but keep a good backup of flac
2014-07-24 20550, 2014
Freso
I mean, I remember a time before Facebook, where MySpace was the lay of the land.
2014-07-24 20556, 2014
Freso sometimes feels a bit old :p
2014-07-24 20523, 2014
kepstin is really tempted to make his vapourware musicbrainz player into a "private cloud" online streaming type deal.
2014-07-24 20548, 2014
Freso
n1md4: Are you a Linux user by any chance?
2014-07-24 20555, 2014
n1md4
You can tell!
2014-07-24 20506, 2014
Freso
:)
2014-07-24 20519, 2014
n1md4
So's my wife and children .. maybe not by choice
2014-07-24 20520, 2014
Freso
n1md4: You might want to try and look into mopidy.
2014-07-24 20532, 2014
Freso
It's like mpd-on-speed.
2014-07-24 20535, 2014
n1md4
interesting! I've been looking to upgrade my DAAP server, and really doesn't have to remain DAAP either .
2014-07-24 20542, 2014
Freso
It supports several "source"/"input" types, e.g. play from file, play online radio stream, ... play from Spotify.
2014-07-24 20549, 2014
Freso
And it allows several way to connect to - including mpd protocol (so all mpd clients can use it, of which there is a fair amount), a web client (actually, there are several to pick from), and some others as well, IIRC.
2014-07-24 20556, 2014
n1md4
I must say (slightly off topic) I'm a big fan of bootstrap sites, they just click (no pun intended) with me.
2014-07-24 20501, 2014
Freso
:p
2014-07-24 20503, 2014
kepstin
hmm. one fun interesting thing to do with an online streaming player might be to look into using webrtc transmission; you get to use opus codec then for using slightly less bits :)
2014-07-24 20522, 2014
Freso
kepstin: :p
2014-07-24 20526, 2014
n1md4
Definitely going to look in to this some more
2014-07-24 20504, 2014
Freso
Also, the people in #mopidy are friendly as well.
2014-07-24 20513, 2014
Freso
And fans of MusicBrainz. :p
2014-07-24 20513, 2014
kepstin
I mean, for online streaming to headphones in a noisy place e.g. public transit, I'd probably be happy with 96kbit opus.
2014-07-24 20515, 2014
n1md4
apt repo! love that
2014-07-24 20542, 2014
Freso
n1md4: Debian or 'buntu?
2014-07-24 20510, 2014
n1md4
debian on servers and ubuntu for the desktop
2014-07-24 20515, 2014
Freso
:)
2014-07-24 20544, 2014
n1md4
not a huge fan of my shuttleworth .. too much business like, but fair play to him, it's still foss
2014-07-24 20545, 2014
kepstin
ooh. mopidy already stores musicbrainz ids in their data model
2014-07-24 20503, 2014
Freso
kepstin: As I said, they're MB fans. ;)
2014-07-24 20506, 2014
kepstin
(of course the first thing I do is look for their data model in the docs)
2014-07-24 20513, 2014
Freso
Hehe.
2014-07-24 20504, 2014
n1md4
okay, i know what I'm doing for the next 30 minutes :) brb
2014-07-24 20536, 2014
kepstin
ooh. pluggably library support
2014-07-24 20540, 2014
kepstin
pluggable*
2014-07-24 20548, 2014
kepstin
... I was supposed to be off doing other stuff
2014-07-24 20554, 2014
Freso
Haha.
2014-07-24 20501, 2014
Freso
mopidy is a neat project. :)
2014-07-24 20516, 2014
kepstin
guess I should package it for exherbo :)
2014-07-24 20530, 2014
kepstin has done a lot of python exherbo packaging lately, shouldn't be too bad.
2014-07-24 20536, 2014
Freso
I'm sure they'd love that.
2014-07-24 20551, 2014
Freso
Be sure to ping them about it in #mopidy of you do.
2014-07-24 20539, 2014
Freso
Also, they're usually happy to help plugin/extension authors and users as well.
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dna6android
if you get a lot of 'no matching tracks' where do you go? can you access a larger fingerprint database?
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kepstin
well, with the puid linkage gone from musicbrainz, no, there really isn't any bigger fingerprint database.
2014-07-24 20548, 2014
kepstin
echonest has fingerprints, but they're optimized for a different purpose and tend to cover more mainstream stuff and less obscure stuff.
2014-07-24 20513, 2014
kepstin
the best solution, of course, would be for you to match the tracks to musicbrainz using additional metadata and give us your fingerprints...
