#musicbrainz

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      • HibiscusKazeneko
        Fortunately I have a car :P

        • 2014-09-02 24551, 2014

      • KRSCuan
        Do you cook in your car?

        • 2014-09-02 24554, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        No

        • 2014-09-02 24505, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        Only Alton Brown would think to do that

        • 2014-09-02 24519, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        If the university didn't catch them and/or discipline them for it

        • 2014-09-02 24554, 2014

      • CallerNo6 cooks in his car. You'll all have to learn when Armageddon comes.

        • 2014-09-02 24512, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        (re-heat leftovers on the dashboard)

        • 2014-09-02 24526, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        HibiscusKazeneko: university actively supported it because it was benefitial to them.

        • 2014-09-02 24545, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        (admittedly, fairly quietly, and it might have only been some of the techs helping, but still)

        • 2014-09-02 24511, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        CallerNo6: My local ABC affiliate's news anchors baked cookies on one another's dashboards one day

        • 2014-09-02 24520, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        several years back

        • 2014-09-02 24528, 2014

      • KRSCuan
        Cooking eggs on the hood or even a motor is a staple in "science" shows.

        • 2014-09-02 24558, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        I remember someone mentioned fixing their radiator with eggs on Car Talk years ago

        • 2014-09-02 24507, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        Click and Clack called it "Eggs Prestone"

        • 2014-09-02 24519, 2014

      • reosarevok
        CallerNo6: wouldn't it be more useful to have a wooden-based way of cooking when armageddon comes? :p

        • 2014-09-02 24538, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        reosarevok: but then what will we do with all the cars?

        • 2014-09-02 24541, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        I've seen people build solar ovens out of cardboard boxes and aluminum foil

        • 2014-09-02 24510, 2014

      • reosarevok
        Dunno

        • 2014-09-02 24515, 2014

      • reosarevok
        Burn them for fun?

        • 2014-09-02 24540, 2014

      • reosarevok
        (guess you could cook until they run out of gas, anyway, just isn't a very long-term skill :p)

        • 2014-09-02 24503, 2014

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      • CallerNo6
        oh, no. I mean, the dashboard makes a good solar oven.

        • 2014-09-02 24528, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        (assuming the windshield is intact)

        • 2014-09-02 24510, 2014

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        • 2014-09-02 24539, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        Especially in the Texas summer heat

        • 2014-09-02 24553, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        It routinely gets well over 100℉

        • 2014-09-02 24555, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        maybe we'll use the cars as solar kilns.

        • 2014-09-02 24501, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        or flower pots?

        • 2014-09-02 24518, 2014

      • reosarevok
        Oh

        • 2014-09-02 24530, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        or sniper hiding places?

        • 2014-09-02 24553, 2014

      • reosarevok
        Dunno

        • 2014-09-02 24509, 2014

      • reosarevok wonders if he'll have learnt to use a car at all before armageddon comes

        • 2014-09-02 24514, 2014

      • reosarevok
        (well, for actual movement, nor cooking :p)

        • 2014-09-02 24533, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        be confusing if some of the cars are solar kilns and other are sniper hiding places

        • 2014-09-02 24539, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        don't want to confuse the two

        • 2014-09-02 24506, 2014

      • CallerNo6 imagines that putting a sign up with an arrow saying "→sniper hiding place" won't help

        • 2014-09-02 24526, 2014

      • reosarevok
        Well you could just put them up for the kilns

        • 2014-09-02 24532, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        (unless you want to keep your kiln safe from maruaders)

        • 2014-09-02 24544, 2014

      • reosarevok
        Except for marauding snipers?

        • 2014-09-02 24507, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        Armageddon is hard!

        • 2014-09-02 24510, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        just put "sniper hiding place" signs on all your kilns, if you're worried about marauding snipers

        • 2014-09-02 24509, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        and put "kiln" signs on your sniper hiding places if you're worried about marauding potters.

        • 2014-09-02 24510, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        the second worst kind of potter!

        • 2014-09-02 24529, 2014

      • reosarevok
        After the harry one?

        • 2014-09-02 24556, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        That guy isn't invited to my apocalypse.

        • 2014-09-02 24557, 2014

      • KRSCuan
        The wiki tells me "Please log in using username and password 'NOTSPAM"

        • 2014-09-02 24506, 2014

      • KRSCuan
        But neither "username" nor my user name works.

        • 2014-09-02 24517, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        did you write "NOTSPAM" in the username and password field?

        • 2014-09-02 24518, 2014

      • reosarevok
        What about NOTSPAM? :p

        • 2014-09-02 24531, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        Can you guys take a look at this for a second? http://musicbrainz.org/edit/29110927

        • 2014-09-02 24541, 2014

      • KRSCuan
        And I tried NOTSPAM in both upper and lower case in the pw field.

        • 2014-09-02 24548, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        "I did enter my username and password. And stop calling me NOTSPAM."

        • 2014-09-02 24532, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        KRSCuan: it goes in all uppercase in both the username and password fields.

        • 2014-09-02 24530, 2014

      • KRSCuan
        It doesn't work, no.

        • 2014-09-02 24530, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        HibiscusKazeneko: that's actually the game disc itself, right?

        • 2014-09-02 24534, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        Yes

        • 2014-09-02 24543, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        I'm using this as a test edit

        • 2014-09-02 24555, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        hmm. I'd almost say that the album artist should be the company that made the game, rather than the music composers

        • 2014-09-02 24516, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        since the main point of the release was presumably the game; the fact that the game had music was secondary.

        • 2014-09-02 24521, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        For a game rip, maybe

        • 2014-09-02 24530, 2014

      • KRSCuan
        No.

        • 2014-09-02 24541, 2014

      • KRSCuan
        Why do you hate VA so much?

        • 2014-09-02 24546, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        It's overused

        • 2014-09-02 24516, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        for an actual soundtrack release, I'd probably go with primary composers if there's only 1 or 2or sometimes maybe 3.

        • 2014-09-02 24522, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        but this isn't a soundtrack.

        • 2014-09-02 24525, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        Hmm. we don't really have a good way of marking releases which aren't primarily music releases...

        • 2014-09-02 24559, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        I'm thinking also of stuff like TV show releases that include a cd of theme music or whatnot

        • 2014-09-02 24559, 2014

      • KRSCuan
        These PSX and Saturn games with CD tracks are practically game and soundtrack in one.

        • 2014-09-02 24512, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        KRSCuan: a lot of editors avoid VA when there's any plausible alternative, because saying VA is saying "I condemn you to be forever unfindable" :-)

        • 2014-09-02 24534, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        Taxi companies certainly do

        • 2014-09-02 24539, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        (wrong uber?)

        • 2014-09-02 24538, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko is unfamiliar with any said system

        • 2014-09-02 24552, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop doesn't usually hear "uber" in tier systems

        • 2014-09-02 24555, 2014

      • hawke
        kepstin-laptop: I would say that it certainly is a soundtrack…

        • 2014-09-02 24506, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        "God" is what I've heard (at least on 4chan)

        • 2014-09-02 24515, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        hawke: but before being a soundtrack, it's a game.

        • 2014-09-02 24527, 2014

      • hawke
        kepstin-laptop: Doesn’t matter.

        • 2014-09-02 24536, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        With bonus content if you pop the CD in your computer

        • 2014-09-02 24540, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        That's what counts

        • 2014-09-02 24546, 2014

      • KRSCuan
        HibiscusKazeneko: Then keep out of /vp/

        • 2014-09-02 24547, 2014

      • reosarevok
        kepstin-laptop: it's definitely used for competitive pokemon

        • 2014-09-02 24550, 2014

      • hawke
        And especially, the CD audio tracks are not primarily the game — they are the soundtrack to the game.

        • 2014-09-02 24551, 2014

      • reosarevok
        For what that's worth :p

        • 2014-09-02 24510, 2014

      • warp
        hawke: but the release is not about the cd audio tracks :)

        • 2014-09-02 24516, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        hawke: but the release itself is primarily a game

        • 2014-09-02 24528, 2014

      • warp sides with kepstin-laptop

        • 2014-09-02 24507, 2014

      • hawke
        hmm, I understood “These PSX and Saturn games with CD tracks” to be referring to this disc. Is that not the case?

        • 2014-09-02 24512, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        It is

        • 2014-09-02 24520, 2014

      • hawke
        It has a discID, it has CD audio.

        • 2014-09-02 24529, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        Those games had folders containing bonus content

        • 2014-09-02 24535, 2014

      • hawke
        So yeah, the release (in the musicbrainz context) is about the CD audio tracks.

        • 2014-09-02 24539, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        Right

        • 2014-09-02 24548, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        Everything else is ansolary to us

        • 2014-09-02 24554, 2014

      • hawke
        *ancillary

        • 2014-09-02 24554, 2014

      • derwin
        ancillary

        • 2014-09-02 24557, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        thanks

        • 2014-09-02 24530, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/5726764032/h18BC4A90/

        • 2014-09-02 24531, 2014

      • KRSCuan
        Who needs yearly updates of racing games anyway?

        • 2014-09-02 24536, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        Not me

        • 2014-09-02 24550, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        http://musicbrainz.org/release/3fd9a11c-dfe7-40fe… is another example of a release which isn't primarily music - that was a box set of video dvds containing the complete anime season - and, oh, a cd with the theme songs.

        • 2014-09-02 24501, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        I don't play sports games for that reason

        • 2014-09-02 24536, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        kepstin-laptop: That seems to be a common trend in anime these days.

        • 2014-09-02 24551, 2014

      • KRSCuan
        Sports games are even worse in that regard than racing games.

        • 2014-09-02 24556, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko worries that the Sailor Moon Crystal soundtrack will be relegated to such a bundle

        • 2014-09-02 24510, 2014

      • reosarevok
        KRSCuan: at least sports games mirror actual yearly changes in the real world

        • 2014-09-02 24518, 2014

      • reosarevok
        (which yes, could just be patched in, but :p)

        • 2014-09-02 24549, 2014

      • KRSCuan
        I think there was some F1 game that actually tried that.

        • 2014-09-02 24550, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        as far as racing games go, if they follow a real racing series they could use the updates to follow rule changes, etc...

        • 2014-09-02 24507, 2014

      • KRSCuan
        But forcing people to buy the newest version is more feasible.

        • 2014-09-02 24514, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        At $60 a pop?

        • 2014-09-02 24516, 2014

      • hawke
        kepstin-laptop: and I would also consider that one to be a soundtrack. At the very least it seems weird to say that the bonus disc is the release. The bonus disc is a soundtrack (I guess? was the music directly used in the series?), but not itself the release.

        • 2014-09-02 24522, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        It;s highway robbery

        • 2014-09-02 24547, 2014

      • hawke
        Eh, they usually do have game engine improvements as well. Not every year, but every few years.

        • 2014-09-02 24550, 2014

      • KRSCuan
        At least with F1, FIA changes the rules so much it's a completely different sport every few years.

        • 2014-09-02 24554, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        hawke: the bonus disk was simply dis, i dunno, 6 or 7 in a multidisk release, the first n disks of which were video dvd containing the tv series

        • 2014-09-02 24502, 2014

      • KRSCuan
        Whereas football always stays the same.

        • 2014-09-02 24527, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        hawke: it wasn't packages separately, it had no notes specifically about it, etc. it was just stuck inside the keep case with the dvds.

        • 2014-09-02 24530, 2014

      • hawke
        kepstin-laptop: yeah, I understand what it was. But it seems odd to say "the release in musicbrainz is only this disc" but not also "the release in musicbrainz is a soundtrack"

        • 2014-09-02 24538, 2014

      • hawke
        you can’t have it both ways (IMO)

        • 2014-09-02 24559, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        hawke: I suggested we add an "Enclosure" type for that a while back (to mimic what VGMdb does)

        • 2014-09-02 24510, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        yeah; if anything, i'd prefer some way of saying that the release wasn't just the one disk

        • 2014-09-02 24526, 2014

      • hawke
        I *think* “enclosure” seems reasonable as a secondary release type, yeah.

        • 2014-09-02 24528, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        Maybe a new tertiary subtype?

        • 2014-09-02 24545, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        IMO, it would actually be best as a primary type

        • 2014-09-02 24557, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        Probably not

        • 2014-09-02 24559, 2014

      • hawke
        kepstin-laptop: no, you could have an enclosed single|album|EP

        • 2014-09-02 24500, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        hmm.

        • 2014-09-02 24501, 2014

      • KRSCuan
        Are you fucking kidding?

        • 2014-09-02 24509, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        At what?

        • 2014-09-02 24513, 2014

      • hawke
        KRSCuan: who? about what?

        • 2014-09-02 24522, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        I am!

        • 2014-09-02 24541, 2014

      • hawke is deadly serious. always. ~

        • 2014-09-02 24546, 2014

      • KRSCuan
        What is an enclosure release supposed to be anyway?

        • 2014-09-02 24559, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        A release that is sold as part of a bundle with something else

        • 2014-09-02 24512, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        e.g. a soundtrack sold with a video game

        • 2014-09-02 24532, 2014

      • KRSCuan
        That's a bonus disc.

        • 2014-09-02 24549, 2014

      • hawke
        KRSCuan: not necessarily, when we don’t have any interest in storing the main release itself.

        • 2014-09-02 24552, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        What about non-disc media?

        • 2014-09-02 24552, 2014

      • KRSCuan
        Or a "gimmick".

        • 2014-09-02 24505, 2014

      • KRSCuan
        You mean something like a drama CD with a Blu-ray.

        • 2014-09-02 24506, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        KRSCuan: right, which we encode in musicbrainz as an additional media in the same release

        • 2014-09-02 24509, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        A gimmick could encompass other things, e.g. preorder bonuses

        • 2014-09-02 24539, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        except in cases where we wouldn't normally have the release in musicbrainz, except that it has this extra thing whcih has music

        • 2014-09-02 24547, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        Exactly

        • 2014-09-02 24551, 2014

      • KRSCuan
        Or like what http://musicbrainz.org/release/38850299-2c96-4d7a… would be to the game if liftarn had entered if correctly or fixed it after I told him so.

        • 2014-09-02 24541, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko never played Yakuza 3, but that sounds about right

        • 2014-09-02 24504, 2014

      • KRSCuan
        It's a game BD plus a CD.

        • 2014-09-02 24528, 2014

      • KRSCuan
        And he imported it incorrectly from Discogs.

        • 2014-09-02 24535, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        Yes. Only the CD is relevant to our interests.

        • 2014-09-02 24541, 2014

      • hawke
        Then yes, like htat.