and mainly wondering if I should edit the track titles to match what's on the cover or not.
2014-09-01 24452, 2014
CallerNo6
chungy: the short answer is, for a lot of classical music, no. don't enter as on cover. the guidelines were written specifically to standardize how classical titles are entered.
2014-09-01 24432, 2014
chungy
Okay, I left the track titles alone when basing it on one of the existing releases. Hopefully they're good :P
2014-09-01 24407, 2014
CallerNo6
the reason for that is, a lot of classical works don't have 'titles' per se. They are typically identified by form, key, number etc
2014-09-01 24446, 2014
CallerNo6
but there's no one way to say "that guys fifth kazoo concerto in c # minor"
2014-09-01 24441, 2014
CallerNo6
MB made the decision to pick one way and stick with it
2014-09-01 24414, 2014
chungy
I'm aware that classical music guidelines were debated for years, but it's not my expertise so I don't know the details.
2014-09-01 24453, 2014
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CallerNo6
well, that's the gist of it. so that you don't wind up with tracks called "kazoon concerto n° 5", "concerto for kazoo V" or whatever
2014-09-01 24458, 2014
CallerNo6 seems to have invented a new instrument, the kazoon. oops.
2014-09-01 24437, 2014
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CallerNo6
(nevermind the lazy jerks who use degree (°) instead of ordinal(º) -- they mess everything up)
CallerNo6of9: For once, I'm inclined to agree with HibiscusKazeneko on this. :p
2014-09-01 24439, 2014
Freso
CallerNo6of9: But that shouldn't stop you from trying.
2014-09-01 24428, 2014
CallerNo6of9
If you mean that liftarn won't change his(?) mind, you're probably right.
2014-09-01 24402, 2014
CallerNo6of9
I'd be happy with "I disagree, but since everybody else is in agreement I'll drop it"
2014-09-01 24420, 2014
HibiscusKazeneko
IOW what I had to do about the Japanese catalog number debate.
2014-09-01 24432, 2014
HibiscusKazeneko
(That and Hawke brought RIS-502 into the mix.)
2014-09-01 24416, 2014
CallerNo6of9
Everybody needs to do it sometimes. Consensus is rarely "yay! we all agree!" :-)
2014-09-01 24401, 2014
Freso
CallerNo6of9: Yeah. Just getting him to drop it would be good, nobody's going to force him to agree.
2014-09-01 24404, 2014
Freso
That'd be silly.
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HibiscusKazeneko
And borderline impossible.
2014-09-01 24407, 2014
Freso
Forcing anyone to change their mind is basically impossible. You can change people's minds, but not by outright forcing it.
2014-09-01 24405, 2014
CallerNo6of9
well, putting force aside, it's not always possible to persuade people either.
2014-09-01 24428, 2014
HibiscusKazeneko
It is possible to brainwash, but we're not in a position to do that.
2014-09-01 24450, 2014
CallerNo6of9
we're not? what kind of american are you?
2014-09-01 24407, 2014
HibiscusKazeneko
Not one who brainwashes people for a living
2014-09-01 24457, 2014
HibiscusKazeneko
Or knows how to do so
2014-09-01 24410, 2014
HibiscusKazeneko has no real charisma or power of persuasion
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CallerNo6of9
most people just want to know that you heard them. if they think you don't "get" their argument, they dig their heels in.
2014-09-01 24440, 2014
CallerNo6of9
sometimes thinking "if they understood my argument, they'd agree with me! so i will keep repeating it!"
2014-09-01 24406, 2014
HibiscusKazeneko
And not listening to dissenting voices
2014-09-01 24434, 2014
drsaunde
he may read the chat logs and all the personal attacks certainly don't help and would also make me less likely to change my mind also
2014-09-01 24452, 2014
CallerNo6of9
+1 to that
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HSOWA
absolutely drsaunde
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HSOWA
hey coem from merges. but things are changing. things are becoming much more nuanced. musicbrainz' "artist" entity is now not what it was 10, 5 or heck ,even 3 years ago)
2014-09-01 24454, 2014
HSOWA
and you can quote me on that CallerNo7
2014-09-01 24458, 2014
HSOWA
(in case it helps)
2014-09-01 24454, 2014
HibiscusKazeneko
Interesting...
2014-09-01 24417, 2014
HSOWA
yea. liftarn is an old hand so he's not *wrong* just sort of "stuck" in the old way of thinking
2014-09-01 24441, 2014
HSOWA
and (Sadly) beign too stuborn to change (I know that feeling)
2014-09-01 24453, 2014
HSOWA
ironically i'm better at changing now i'm older :D
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HibiscusKazeneko
Yeah, we all eventually realize that times change
2014-09-01 24449, 2014
HibiscusKazeneko
Some of us are faster at it than others
2014-09-01 24451, 2014
VxJasonxV
KRS-Cuan: oh, you're saying you caused Revolvr to be deleted.
2014-09-01 24432, 2014
KRS-Cuan
By moving the releases to the main artists.
2014-09-01 24404, 2014
KRS-Cuan
And apparently there wasn't any other info attached.
2014-09-01 24415, 2014
KRS-Cuan
But I didn't really look into the edit history.
2014-09-01 24432, 2014
HSOWA
awesome:
2014-09-01 24437, 2014
HSOWA
Now grooving to: Testament ~ Confusion Fusion (3:07) (from Practice What You Preach) (1989)
it really really really would be good if we coudl see the liner notes to this
2014-09-01 24447, 2014
HibiscusKazeneko
As I have reiterated ad nauseam, Japanese soundtracks almost never list an artist on the outside covers
2014-09-01 24417, 2014
HSOWA
i'm not talking about outside covers
2014-09-01 24433, 2014
HSOWA
it's like..
2014-09-01 24446, 2014
HibiscusKazeneko
The booklet?
2014-09-01 24454, 2014
HibiscusKazeneko
I'd like to see it too
2014-09-01 24438, 2014
HSOWA
ok if i go and want ot buy ocarina of time soundtrack in japan that's obiquisly "that is made by Koji Kondo" but if i (theoretically) was to go to ye olde cd store in japan and ask would they say "yea that's by "sega sound team"" ? is my question .I guess
2014-09-01 24448, 2014
HibiscusKazeneko
Usually if there's a collective involved one or more of the contributors will be marked as belonging to that group
2014-09-01 24434, 2014
HSOWA
there is no rule that says "various artists" is *wrong* even if there is "an artist that woudl fit sorta, better"
2014-09-01 24450, 2014
HibiscusKazeneko
I tried to make one but liftarn vetoed it before it got off the ground
2014-09-01 24456, 2014
HSOWA
(still, devils advocate here)
2014-09-01 24405, 2014
HibiscusKazeneko
I understand where you're coming from
2014-09-01 24416, 2014
HSOWA
make one what?
2014-09-01 24428, 2014
HSOWA
a rule abotu VA being *wrong* regardless?
2014-09-01 24428, 2014
HibiscusKazeneko
A change to the guidelines
2014-09-01 24441, 2014
HibiscusKazeneko
Not anything about *wrong* regardless
2014-09-01 24443, 2014
HSOWA
yea i'd veto that too, that's as bad as saying "cant use sega sine it's not an artist" imho
