Why anyone would do a five hour Gangnam Style mashup album two years later is beyond me.
2014-09-13 25619, 2014
CallerNo6
KRS-Cuan: what about my third case, [release (box)]<contains>[release (individual disc, same catno, barcode etc)] ?
2014-09-13 25633, 2014
kepstin
but yeah, imo the solution would be to set the cardinality on the rels, and make sure the release page uses the cardinality to determine whether to show the rel in the tracklist
2014-09-13 25615, 2014
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2014-09-13 25619, 2014
KRS-Cuan
Do we use cardinality anywhere to hide some relationships, but not all, of the same type?
2014-09-13 25632, 2014
KRS-Cuan
CallerNo6: I think that's too detailed and also more error-prone.
2014-09-13 25644, 2014
kepstin
KRS-Cuan: right now, in the 'edit' pages on various entities, yes
2014-09-13 25654, 2014
KRS-Cuan
And editors are human, so they make errors and would use it incorrectly.
2014-09-13 25634, 2014
CallerNo6
I dunno. It seems pretty clear to me. This exact thing contains this other exact thing.
2014-09-13 25640, 2014
KRS-Cuan
For The Fame Monster, you have CD 2s that are equivalent to the old US/German/UK/Japan releases of The Fame.
2014-09-13 25656, 2014
KRS-Cuan
But they are packaged differently.
2014-09-13 25604, 2014
KRS-Cuan
It could be misused for that.
2014-09-13 25624, 2014
kepstin
on the other hand, you could think that being placed inside a box set is sufficent that something is no longer "the same release", so linking to an exact release would be wrong.
for 2, the release group level is appropriate, imo.
2014-09-13 25642, 2014
kepstin
I wonder if we should just have both levels
2014-09-13 25633, 2014
CallerNo6
which two?
2014-09-13 25634, 2014
kepstin
the rg-rg level linking the abstract box set to the abstract releases it contains, and the release-release level linking a particular box set to the exact releases it contains, if they're available separately without e.g. packaging changes
2014-09-13 25603, 2014
KRS-Cuan
kepstin: Neither works for The Fame Monster.
2014-09-13 25609, 2014
CallerNo6
right
2014-09-13 25616, 2014
KRS-Cuan
Or that other release I had as an example.
2014-09-13 25617, 2014
CallerNo6
that puts us back at 3 ARs
2014-09-13 25631, 2014
CallerNo6
er, "that would"
2014-09-13 25633, 2014
KRS-Cuan
Where the vinyl singles/EPs were tacked onto the album tracks.
2014-09-13 25644, 2014
KRS-Cuan
Or just release-RG. :)
2014-09-13 25624, 2014
CallerNo6
I don't see how R-R can be confused for anything else. It's the most clearly defined case, and uses a different join phrase.
2014-09-13 25630, 2014
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2014-09-13 25643, 2014
CallerNo6
well, okay, anything can be confused I guess
2014-09-13 25622, 2014
KRS-Cuan
Just like people randomly pick a recording for some rec-rec ARs.
2014-09-13 25606, 2014
KRS-Cuan
Or randomly pick wrong artists.
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2014-09-13 25615, 2014
CallerNo6
KRS-Cuan: okay, but that's just bad editing. Should we delete artists with similar names to avoid confusion?
2014-09-13 25607, 2014
KRS-Cuan
We don't have three different ways to enter artists.
2014-09-13 25615, 2014
KRS-Cuan
Well, actually we have four…
2014-09-13 25637, 2014
CallerNo6
Again, it's a different AR. Different link phrase, different semantic meaning, clearly defined (same barcode, catno, packaging, etc)
2014-09-13 25609, 2014
CallerNo6
But I think I'll drop the idea anyway, in favor of MBS-4450
2014-09-13 25614, 2014
CallerNo6
... or something similar. A container entity.
2014-09-13 25637, 2014
CallerNo6
But honestly, if [box]<literally contains a copy of>[disc] is too confusing, then I'm not sure what isn't confusing :-)
2014-09-13 25657, 2014
KRS-Cuan
My first concern is that it doesn't work for relatively common use cases.
2014-09-13 25616, 2014
CallerNo6
that's why it's a different AR
2014-09-13 25634, 2014
KRS-Cuan
Confusion would be a problem with having more than one AR to do very similar things.
2014-09-13 25652, 2014
CallerNo6 isn't seeing the confusion.
2014-09-13 25656, 2014
KRS-Cuan
It's not there yet, of course you can't see it. :P
2014-09-13 25619, 2014
CallerNo6
aha. then it's a failure of imagination.
2014-09-13 25631, 2014
CallerNo6
I meain, we have [unknown], [anon] and [trad]. Sure, it's confusing if you don't read the docs. So are a lot of things.
2014-09-13 25636, 2014
CallerNo6
It'd be awesome if MB could be made more, I dunno, Mac like? Pythonic?
if a track consists of several pieces, separate their titles by slashes. However, your example looks different. Looks like track 46 is part 1 and track 47 is part 2
2014-09-13 25641, 2014
mki
you could copy the exact track title from the back cover / booklet.
2014-09-13 25645, 2014
chirlu`
Not by slashes, but by space+slash+space: “A / B”
2014-09-13 25659, 2014
mki
yes, space+slash+space
2014-09-13 25616, 2014
mki
Or maybe use the subtitle style:
2014-09-13 25631, 2014
mki
Fin Send - Roflnauts: 01 Prematchmusic
2014-09-13 25647, 2014
mki
Fin Send - Roflnauts: 02 get ready to rofl
2014-09-13 25652, 2014
mki
CSG demands that the recording artist consists only of performers, but not the composer. How is this done efficiently in practice? In my case: How do I change the recording artist of the >200 recordings of https://musicbrainz.org/release/542ca3db-b1dd-4bf… at once?
2014-09-13 25616, 2014
xplt
mki: Ok, thanks :)
2014-09-13 25635, 2014
chirlu`
mki: I think the usual workaround is to change the credit in the release editor (for tracks and releases), then cancel the “Edit medium” edit.
2014-09-13 25647, 2014
KRS-Cuan is once again glad not to edit classical.
2014-09-13 25627, 2014
chirlu`
(Auto-editors must be careful not to use auto-editor privileges, or otherwise the medium edit will be applied and not cancellable.)
2014-09-13 25641, 2014
chirlu`
s/releases/recordings/
2014-09-13 25654, 2014
mki
chirlu`: Really? :(
2014-09-13 25614, 2014
chirlu`
I think so, yes.
2014-09-13 25636, 2014
chirlu`
If you don’t like it, you can edit the recordings one by one, of course. :)
2014-09-13 25619, 2014
mki
So there is a official guideline which can only be followed by this cancelling hack or a lot of effort?...this feels very wrong to me
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2014-09-13 25608, 2014
mki
as far as I see, I have to cancel 20 edits then (one for each medium). Better than editing >200 recordings one by one, but still a lot of stupid work
2014-09-13 25618, 2014
mki
I guess I will leave this as it is
2014-09-13 25629, 2014
chirlu`
That’s how it is, there are tickets asking for improvements of course.
