CallerNo6 wouldn't vote against yoasif's edit, but is curious about the underlying principles.
2014-09-08 25108, 2014
yoasif
:)
2014-09-08 25143, 2014
yoasif
CatQuest, i actually do happen to agree with the style guide in this case
2014-09-08 25153, 2014
CatQuest
I on the other side was a bit unaware of that guideline change, if the underlying tracks where infct real mashups and if this was a ganhe to the tracklsit or what
2014-09-08 25154, 2014
yoasif
like i said, i have disagreed with it in the past
2014-09-08 25130, 2014
CatQuest
I make change following sryleguidelines if I don't agree with them, if they make "sense" still
2014-09-08 25140, 2014
CatQuest
even if i don't agree*
2014-09-08 25144, 2014
CatQuest
i need ot eat and its late
2014-09-08 25149, 2014
CatQuest
hmn
2014-09-08 25112, 2014
CatQuest
i mean I remember styleguide disaster no 5
2014-09-08 25115, 2014
CatQuest
i hated that
2014-09-08 25122, 2014
CatQuest
but alas I had to follow it
2014-09-08 25124, 2014
yoasif
which was that?
2014-09-08 25129, 2014
CatQuest
oh that
2014-09-08 25135, 2014
CatQuest
uuuhh
2014-09-08 25145, 2014
CatQuest
pre-ngs an pre advanced relationships
2014-09-08 25103, 2014
CatQuest
it was in 2006 or something
2014-09-08 25115, 2014
CatQuest
awesome
2014-09-08 25133, 2014
CatQuest
oh it should have been Max_Gentleman
2014-09-08 25141, 2014
yoasif
what was the guideline?
2014-09-08 25140, 2014
yoasif
okay, go have your... dinner? good chat, CatQuest
2014-09-08 25118, 2014
hawke1
CallerNo6: I assume the principle is that the release in MB should reflect the release in real life…certain formatting and correction aside.
2014-09-08 25144, 2014
yoasif
kepstin-laptop, do you use opus on mobile?
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2014-09-08 25130, 2014
kepstin-laptop
I use opus on my laptop and on my ipod, which runs the rockbox open-source firmware
2014-09-08 25117, 2014
yoasif
heh, havent used rockbox in ages
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2014-09-08 25129, 2014
kepstin-laptop
they added 2048 as a game recently.
2014-09-08 25133, 2014
kepstin-laptop
the "iPod Classic" that I have isn't one of their officially supported platforms yet, but that's only because they don't have an automatic installer yet
2014-09-08 25159, 2014
kepstin-laptop
and nobody's figured out how to make it dualboot the original firmware either, it's a replacement only thing.
2014-09-08 25106, 2014
yoasif
i need a new battery for my ipod classic
2014-09-08 25120, 2014
yoasif
it's oold
2014-09-08 25130, 2014
yoasif
just using my smartphone for that stuff now
2014-09-08 25141, 2014
kepstin-laptop
heh. the replacement batteries are pretty readily available online
2014-09-08 25154, 2014
kepstin-laptop hasn't yet seen a smartphone that can hold 160GB of music
2014-09-08 25119, 2014
kepstin-laptop
although I spend a lot of time in wifi range, and could use music streaming then
2014-09-08 25125, 2014
yoasif
hmm.... $43 for the drive
2014-09-08 25149, 2014
kepstin-laptop
some people have actually replaced the drive in these ipod classics with modern msata SSDs
2014-09-08 25154, 2014
kepstin-laptop
can get up to 512gb
2014-09-08 25100, 2014
kepstin-laptop
(at some battery life cost)
2014-09-08 25101, 2014
warp
wow, that's really nice
2014-09-08 25128, 2014
yoasif
why opus instead of stuff that gets better battery life?
2014-09-08 25136, 2014
yoasif
or does opus get good battery life now
2014-09-08 25146, 2014
Freso
Because Opus.
2014-09-08 25110, 2014
kepstin-laptop
opus lets me fit more music on the drive, mostly
2014-09-08 25117, 2014
kepstin-laptop
it's still more cpu hungry than other formats
2014-09-08 25141, 2014
kepstin-laptop
rockbox folks have been steadily optimizing it; a few mhz here and there
2014-09-08 25102, 2014
CallerNo6
hawke1: information always needs to be parsed, whether we realize we're doing it or not. and when we don't realize we're doing it, we're probably making assumptions.
2014-09-08 25106, 2014
dave_
So...I'm exploring relationships and I cannot find any documentation on the various types, or what 'direction' means, etc. Where is this documentation? :D
2014-09-08 25113, 2014
kepstin-laptop
I think my ipod can decode most of my music at an (average) 60-70mhz now
2014-09-08 25134, 2014
kepstin-laptop
with mp3 and vorbis, rockbox runs at the minimum processor speed of 54mhz constantly tho
it is...I wonder why google did not find this page?
2014-09-08 25133, 2014
CallerNo6
_Dave_: direction only applies to some relationships. For example, if I'm your sibling, you're my sibling. direction is irrelevant.
2014-09-08 25143, 2014
CallerNo6
but if I'm your parent, you're probably not my parent.
2014-09-08 25122, 2014
CallerNo6
In the second case, direction matters.
2014-09-08 25124, 2014
kepstin-laptop
yoasif: the open-source opus encoder produces way better quality than any open-source aac encoder. for what that's worth.
2014-09-08 25128, 2014
_Dave_
I see
2014-09-08 25106, 2014
Freso usually sets the elder sibling as the start of the relationship though, FWIW
2014-09-08 25114, 2014
hawke1
kepstin-laptop: not that that says much, since the open-source AAC encoders are kinda shit by my understanding
2014-09-08 25118, 2014
_Dave_
lol
2014-09-08 25138, 2014
_Dave_
encoding data like that is bound to be missed by some programmer ;)
2014-09-08 25139, 2014
kepstin-laptop
yoasif: in some lowish bitrate (64kbit?) comparisons between opus and a good aac encoder (nero?), I think opus came out a tiny bit ahead in most samples
2014-09-08 25112, 2014
kepstin-laptop
at more useful cd-transparent bitrates, i doubt you could tell them apart.
2014-09-08 25122, 2014
kepstin-laptop
but the fun thing is that opus can do this with only ~25ms of delay, which is good enough for a phone call. And if you push the bitrate up a bit, that can go below 10ms.
2014-09-08 25122, 2014
yoasif
yeah, i don't mind using free (non open source) encoders
2014-09-08 25149, 2014
kepstin-laptop
opus was originally designed for realtime stuff, the fact that it's also good for general music is just a bonus.
ah, yeah, that's the one I was remembering. so it was apple's encoder, not nero.
2014-09-08 25130, 2014
CallerNo6
_Dave_: Okay, I'll rephrase. Each relationship has a direction, and can be "reversed". So e.g. [recording b]<is a remix of>[recording a] is one direction. The reverse, also true, is [recording a]<has remix>[recording b].
2014-09-08 25136, 2014
kepstin-laptop
oh, they had both
2014-09-08 25127, 2014
_Dave_
I guess there's not enough information on the relationship documentation page to enable me to parse this "relations" array from a JSON query ... no doc on 'type-id' for example
2014-09-08 25154, 2014
_Dave_
for reference, I'm trying to get at the work through the recording
2014-09-08 25119, 2014
_Dave_
I just realized you are probably handling medleys this way ;)
2014-09-08 25119, 2014
kepstin-laptop
hmm? that shouldn't be too bad to do
2014-09-08 25155, 2014
kepstin-laptop
the only issue with the webservice responses is that relationship attributes aren't represented well.
2014-09-08 25104, 2014
_Dave_
It isn't in the general case. It's the edge cases I'm concerned about (and as most of you are acutely aware, this is where most of the work goes)
2014-09-08 25111, 2014
yoasif
yeah, apple has beat nero for years now... was a pain to use it without quicktime installed (on a linux system ;))
2014-09-08 25128, 2014
kepstin-laptop
_Dave_: medleys are a bit special, since we're currently in the middle of switching from a separate medley relationship to an attribute on the standard recording-work relationship
