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      • kepstin_
        hmm, fun; the voice quality in the VOCALOID software keeps improving
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      • kepstin_
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hNpxi0N-2U - one of the new VOCALOID 4 voice banks :)
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      • Nyanko-sensei
        erm... http://musicbrainz.org/edit/30554227 <-- this is an idol group produced by my company and I know we commisioned Frontier Works to print and distro the CDs. what kind of proof would be suitable here?
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      • kepstin_
        if they produced and distributed the CDs, then the correct thing to do is add them ad "distributed by" and "manufactured by" release-label relationships
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      • kepstin_
        not put into the label field
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      • Nyanko-sensei
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      • kepstin_
        the 'label' field is more the consumer-visible brand, sometimes called the imprint
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      • kepstin_
        which in this case looks like it should be "Akashic Records"
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      • Nyanko-sensei
        oh
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      • Nyanko-sensei
        I always misunderstood those. but not adding them feels incomplete
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      • Nyanko-sensei
        don't really want to cancel the edits though
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      • kepstin_
        the add release label edit can be cancelled separately, you don't have to redo the entire release addition
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      • Nyanko-sensei
        will give it a try
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      • Nyanko-sensei
        I'm really tempted to just leave these blank from now on
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      • kepstin_ wonders why pixiv is getting into music production now
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      • kepstin_
        if you're not sure, that's always an option; usually if there's a fairly obvious label name printed (often on the release spine), that's a safe bet.
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      • kepstin_
        in their case there isn't really anything obvious on the release itself
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      • kepstin_
        huh, b-side produced by alstroemeria records, eh.
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      • Nyanko-sensei
        well, pixiv has connections
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      • kepstin_ wonders why pixiv is going into music production tho.
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      • Nyanko-sensei
        one of our bosses really likes idols
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      • Nyanko-sensei
        and decided to make his idol group
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      • kepstin_
        so it's just a one-off thing, you're not going to try to make a soundcloud-like social music sharing site to go along with the image/drawing stuff? :)
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      • Nyanko-sensei
        there's an online shop
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      • Nyanko-sensei
        but probably would like to make a soundcloud-like thing for doujin music
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      • kepstin_
        be interesting, big competition from stuff like piapro in the vocaloid space
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      • Nyanko-sensei
        we got a lot of attention from japanese recording companies though
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      • Nyanko-sensei
        made new edits
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      • kepstin_
        hmm. you edited it before cancelling it, didn't you.
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      • kepstin_
        I'm not sure, but it looks like your new edit might depend on data from the cancelled edit, which means that it'll fail to apply :/
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      • kepstin_
        yeah, looks like that's the case :/
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      • kepstin_ hit the 'approve' button, and modbot just said 'nope' :/
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      • kepstin_
        I've redone it for you as http://musicbrainz.org/edit/30567770
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      • Nyanko-sensei
        so that's why I had to redo all those old edits
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      • Nyanko-sensei
        OTL
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      • kepstin_
        if you're doing cancelling and editing, always do the cancelling first :)
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      • Nyanko-sensei
        ok
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      • Nyanko-sensei memos that
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      • Nyanko-sensei
        wait, so the 2nd one will fail as well
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      • kepstin_
        well, I suppose you should really say AKSC-0001 is the first one ;)
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      • kepstin_
        the only thing you'll have to re-add is the label and catalog number, which isn't too bad.
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      • kepstin_ is off to bed now since it's past midnight, have a good day :)
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      • Nyanko-sensei
        thanks ^^
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      • kepstin_
        I dunno if you saw, some of the japanese musicbrainz community made a new irc channel, #musicbrainz-ja
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      • Nyanko-sensei
        thanks ^^
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        reosarevok: Whenever you get around to reading this, we have a semi-new style issue on our hands. Korean releases tend to have secondary title information such as "The 1st Mini Album" listed alongside the actual release title. We're not sure how to handle the situation.
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      • Freso
        hibiscuskazeneko: And by "We're not sure", you mean that you don't agree with the way the 4:1 voting is currently going? :)
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        This isn't the first time it's come up. Last time the votes went the other way.
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      • KRS-Cuan
        hibiscuskazeneko: Secondary and sub-titles definitely don't belong in the disambiguation.
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      • KRS-Cuan
        The question is whether "The 1st Concert Album" is part of the title at all.
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        Exactly. This is enough of a repeating pattern that I messaged reosarevok about it.
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        Does refresh_daemon ever come on here? I ought to message him too. He made a set of Korean guidelines 2 years ago that were never formally implemented.
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        I did contact him about the guidelines a few months ago; now that this issue has come up we might have to tack whatever solution onto them.
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      • KRS-Cuan
        The other edit will probably fail thanks to http://musicbrainz.org/edit/30561718
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      • KRS-Cuan
        Which shouldn't have been an auto-edit in the first place.
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      • KRS-Cuan
        Ⅲ only exists for compatibility.
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      • chirlu`
        I’m all for resolving compatibility characters, but I assume I’d be slain by fullwidth-ASCII defenders. :-)
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      • Freso
        Is there a default compose key combo for (p)?
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      • chirlu`
        May depend on the distribution etc., but I don’t have one.
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      • hibiscuskazeneko uses OSX's character viewer for things like that
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
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      • chirlu`
        You should mention your browser(s) on the ticket.
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        fixed
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        (I need to launch those updates I've had queued for nearly a week)
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        (but I doubt they'll help)
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      • Freso
        Is it possible to tell which "locale" from /usr/share/X11/locale/ I'm currently using (for the Compose key sequences)?
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      • Freso
        /usr/share/X11/locale/compose.dir is the key.
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      • Freso
        Freso: Thanks!
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      • Freso
        Np.
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        Back to the issue of unusual title information for a moment: I'm in the process of adding http://store.universal-music.co.jp/fs/artist/taka… to MB and am unsure whether to add the "Toshihiko Takamizawa Produce" tidbit to the title.
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        (and on a side note, I'm not sure whether to set the release artist to Takamiy or 高見沢俊彦)
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
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      • KRS-Cuan
        chirlu`: I'll be your shield.
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      • KRS-Cuan
        Normal characters to full-width/compatibility should not be an auto-edit for normal users.
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      • KRS-Cuan
        Can we do it so it's auto-editable in one direction but not the other?
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      • Freso
        Theoretically, at least.
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      • Freso
        Whether a dev wants to spend time on that is another matter.
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      • Freso
        Though, who knows, chirlu` just might. :)
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      • chirlu`
        KRS-Cuan: I’d like to always replace wide-ASCII and narrow-CJK with their regular counterparts, not sure if you want to shield that. :-)
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      • chirlu`
        But some of the other decomposition types may be less controversial (such as the Roman numerals).
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      • KRS-Cuan
        By wide ASCII you mean U+FFF0–FFFF?
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      • KRS-Cuan
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      • KRS-Cuan
        Which also has half-width katakana.
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      • KRS-Cuan
        And Hangul
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      • chirlu`
        Yes, I mean those (though it’s U+FF00–U+FFEF for wide ASCII).
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      • KRS-Cuan
        Uh, I meant that.
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      • chirlu`
        With some special cases, in particular FULLWIDTH TILDE would probably better be converted to WAVE DASH instead of standard TILDE.
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      • KRS-Cuan
        I remember jesus2099 bringing this up a lot with nikki.
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        I'm not sure about this… http://musicbrainz.org/edit/30548893
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      • KRS-Cuan
        If you want to keep it open, vote against it for now.
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        I abstained because I want to merge the first artist but I'm not sure which artist it should be merged into.
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      • KRS-Cuan
        I think they should be merged, but maybe we can research some of those attributions.
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      • KRS-Cuan
        Well, the Elvis 2 release should probably use Elvis Presley.
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        Probably, probably not. If it used modified versions of actual Elvis recordings, then yes.
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      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        who just had an idea, what about making it so that if x thing has an open edit on it, any usually autoedit will go to vote? e.g. caps-change if there is an edit to change the title (akin to what was about SHINee release and roman numeral)
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      • KRS-Cuan
        If we do that, it should be restricted to cases where the new edit would actually make the other one fail.
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      • KRS-Cuan
        E.g. if there is an open edit artist credit edit, which also affects all media the credit appears on.
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      • KRS-Cuan
        And someone wants to just change the titles on a medium.
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      • KRS-Cuan
        Or maybe even the artists on it.
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      • chirlu`
        It’s nontrivial to find out if two edits will conflict, unfortunately.
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      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        KRS-Cuan: well obviously. that's what I meant with "thing" :)
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      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        chirlu`: ersj
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      • KRS-Cuan
        I see a lot of those stupid artist credit edits for Unicode punctuation causing release edits to fail. :\
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      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        yea
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      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        that's got to be almost as irritating as having split artist edits failed vote because a space was missing ;)
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      • KRS-Cuan
        Haven't seen that yet.