#musicbrainz

Starcom

what the fuck am I watching

garbage

sort of

Funassyi is fun to watch, but this was borderline disturbing

very

I should have never clicked the link

Here, this is better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyRgTBwQ_d8

if that is disturbing to you. never watch cows and cows and cows

:D

or anything by cyriak

cows and cows and cows is one of the least fucked up cyriak videos

hello :)

is it only me ? since the last blog stylesheet change, text is blurry and light grey colour on white background colour… very hard to read… (i switch off CSS to read it in Opera)

the letters lines are blurry

chungy: yea. those sheep ones are pretty fucked up

buit's te one I always remember the name of

ok i’ve looked for it for the first time, and the culprit is the font called "Open Sans"… when I remove that one from CSS it’s more readable (no more blur effect)

hi

what's the track artist of a karaoke recording?

the original artist?

Whoever it's credited to

Like with any artist credits

so the person on the front of the cd then?

I'd expect so

I'd expect the same artist as the normal recording, except for cases when someone else is explicitely credited

(for the karaoke)

even if the main artist doesn't appear at all on the karaoke track

and the recordings are traditional works (i.e., there could be lots of karaoke versions with different orchestras playing them)

Artist credits are literally that

"who's credited"

Anything else, we have relationships for, which make for much more interesting data anyway

Of course, if the orchestra is who's credited, go with that :)

ok. it looks like the track listing has nothing else listed

there are 4 cds, 2 are the main album, and the other 2 are exactly the same with no vocals

but the second 2 aren't listed in any different way

thanks, we'll leave it as-is then

If you have the orchestra info, do add the rels if you have the time :)

yeah, that's the plan

so the second 2 CDs will have all the same musicians, but no vocalist rel that the first 2 do

thank god you are here hawke2 ! i don’t really want to no vote all those “Edit recording” edits where you transcript katakana recordings to latin… maybe you could cancel them… ?

you’re removing cue numbers and putting them to latin althgough they are known in katakana… latin is for pseudo release (and the search for recording with latin will work thanks to pseudo release’s tracks)

(i only have my small subscription but already see quite a number of them… i know each no vote will generate email and have done too many already…)

so if you’re here, the better…

i haven't been active the past years, can anybody tell me if this is correct? http://musicbrainz.org/release/cefac0e6-1648-4a... <-- the artist for all tracks is "band 1 / band 2", even tho two songs are by band 1 only, and the other two are by band 2 only.

Tecfan_: if two songs are by band1 and two by band2, that should probably be corrected, yes.

you have any source for the info?

my id3's and this: http://www.discogs.com/Architects-2-Dead-Swans-...

ok, so it's a split single.

easy enough to fix, just change the track artists in the release editor (and don't forget to update the recordings too)

yep, but vocalists are on both band's tracks

so? vocalists can be credited with ARs :)

indeed, on it

hmmm. Is there a reason for Picard not to write track & recording IDs ?

_5moufl: it normally does write them.

yep, recording ids go into the musicbrainz_trackid tag, and trackids go in the musicbrainz_releasetrackid tag (varies depending on format, of course)

Heh, MB needs some better kind of open-edit management beyond stuffing your email inbox with a million notifications

hawke: did you see that jesus2099 was pinging you earlier (as hawke2)?

CallerNo6: Yeah, I saw. We’re discussing it in edit notes since then.

okey dokey

Thanks for the heads-up though.

While we’re on the topic: Anyone else have an opinion on whether English recording titles should be in Latin script even if they’re in katakana on the tracklist?

(I’m inclined to say yes, while jesus2099 and xps2 both think not.)

I don’t feel *that* strongly about it though, I just wish I didn’t get two dozen emails about it :-/

hawke: I'd say leave it in katakana, optionally with a psuedo-release with the latin titles.

kepstin-laptop: How come? (I agree that the original tracklist should stay katatana, but not the recordings)

oh, recordings?

hmm, katakana unless the album is e.g. a japanese re-release of something that originally used latin script imo

kepstin-laptop: Why, though? It seems very odd to have English titles in a non-latin script as the 'main' name.

well, unless the artist does actually write them in latin characters most of the time, then that's not the main name.

consider the reverse. the Scorpions recorded a Japanese song, 'kojo no tuki'.

It would seem weird to change the script for the recording.

kepstin-laptop: the name is an English word.

oops, "kojo no tsuki"

so? lots of japanese tracks have names with words that are english or were originally english written in katakana.

CallerNo6: I would find it weird to *not* have the name of a song that old in Japanese script…

(even a specific arrangement of it)

it is, indeed, a very ... um ... specific arrangement.

CallerNo6: and in fact: http://beta.musicbrainz.org/recording/d9ac7ead-...

huh. I'm pretty sure that's not how it appeared in my copy (which I haven't seen in decades).

There is also http://beta.musicbrainz.org/recording/d3a31f68-...

Point being though, it’s been done that way too.

I'm thinking it was entered that way because some version of the album lists it that way in the track list.

Probably.

So maybe that's a bad example. If the various editions list it both ways, I'm fine with the non-latin recording title.

But in principle, I guess we have different senses of "weird" :-) . I can't think of any advantage to changing the script on the recording.

To me there is no particular need for a recording to match the tracklisting…I see the recording as a kind of “canonical form”.

Usually that means the most common track name, of course.

But I think English in Latin script is also pretty canonical.

Maybe I’m just misunderstanding or disagreeing with what other people want to get out of recording titles.

kepstin-laptop is there an option I missed where i might have stated i didn't want those id fields, cause they're definitely not tagged

_5moufl: it's possibly to use taggerscript to remove them

I have no such things in taggerscript tho. I only remove asin

the recording id appears in picard but not in fb2k. hmmm

what file format?

mp3 with id3v2.4 tags

hmm. the recording id goes into a 'UFID' tag then, dunno if fb2k shows that properly

(UFID:http://musicbrainz.org)

oh yes i didn't notice that. gonna check

_5moufl: if you're curious, this is the full list of how tags are stored in different formats: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ao...