#musicbrainz

Does anyone know how to tag WAV files for iTunes?

wav doesn't have a tagging standard

+1

some people do id3, some people do apev2, others use non-file-written tags

for itunes, convert them to aiff?

or ALAC

Just adding metadata

metadata that iTunes can read

if iTunes lets you edit metadata, do that

if it doesn't, you can't

andymax: wav doesn't have metadata, generally, is what we're trying to tell you.

You can ...but they don't persist

andymax: are you a dj?

(can't think of any other reason to have wavs in itunes)

programmer

you probably want to use beets

and convert your wavs to something less useless?

Just like Hi-Fi ;-)

Well, I fail to see why you'd want to use almost twice the disc space for a format that can't be easily tagged :)

Sound quality

LOL

sound quality?

lossless sound

The differences between WAV and FLAC, if existant, are tiny enough that who cares :)

If you play on a real stereo it is easy to hear the difference

FLAC is lossless, there's no difference between FLAC and WAV

You can get a FLAC plugin for QuickTime so iTunes can use them. Otherwise, go with ALAC for it

FLAC doesn't work on iPod/iPhone/iPad either if that's important

All devices has to work ...and tagging too

and yeah, FLAC/ALAC have "Lossless" in their full names for a reason. There's no quality difference

18:51 < andymax> If you play on a real stereo it is easy to hear the difference

between FLAC and WAV?

[citation needed]

placebo effect

what mechanism would create the difference?

it's a byte-to-byte copy once you decode?

No just MP3 / WAV has a difference

no one is talking about mp3

18:49 < derwin> and convert your wavs to something less useless?

I didn't mean "mp3"

I assumed you did, sorry, my bad

also, I find it very, very doubtful that you can hear a difference between 320 fraunhofer mp3 and flac

So ALAC?

I'd love to see you prove me wrong, but given that no one on earth has been able to do that in a controlled study...

But FLAC is not portable?

it depends on what you mean by "portable"

Plays on all devices

FLAC is open, so in a meaningful way it is far more "portable" than proprietary ALAC

I can put flac on my ipod running rockbox and take it with me on a plane

lossless which plays on all devices doesn't exist. next question?

that's "portable" :)

FLAC plays on pretty much anything except Apple and Microsoft devices

as far as lossless formats go, Apple only supports ALAC and Microsoft only supports WM-Lossless

besides AIFF and WAV :P

lol, yes, besides source formats no one would ever use

because devices are small

it's true, though, if you want to put like 10 wav albums on your 8gb iphone

knock yourself out

the quality will be AMAZING

through your earbuds

and shitty DAC

I do "oggenc" on everything I send to my (Android) phone :P

default settings, shitty earbuds won't make better quality settings actually beneficial

... in actual use, I've switched to using 128kbit/s opus for music on the go :)

keep your lossless for archiving and encode to either mp3/ogg/m4a for your portable devices

exactly

Yes

...but for lossless ...WAV?

if you want to waste a ton of diskspace and not be able to tag it, sure, WAV

if you want to waste a ton of diskspace and be able to tag it, AIFF

well, if you're just archiving your lossless stuff, use whatever you like, tak, ape, flac, alac, ...

if you want to waste less disk space and use it in iTunes/iDevices, ALAC

if you want to use a format that anyone actually uses to share music, FLAC

You can get a plugin to play FLAC directly in iTunes, it just won't help for Apple's iDevices :P

the above does not really seem a complex matrix, but it for sure doesn't point to WAV

Good thing about them being lossless, if you change your mind you only lose the time to reconvert them

as long as you have audio in a lossless codec that ffmpeg can decode, you never need to worry about losing it :)

the matrix says lo-fi mp3

mp3 v0 for portable devices, flac for storage seems perfectly workable

it's for download

only reason to use mp3 nowadays is that you have really old player devices that don't do aac or vorbis, or you don't have a good aac encoder.

there was a brief time I experimented with using WavPack's lossy+correction format (lossless with both files), that stopped when my iPod 4g died (Which had Rockbox on it)

(note that the open-source aac encoders are pretty bad, to the point where using lame is probably a better idea)

There's lots of current Blu-ray players and whatnot that ONLY do MP3 (if you can insert a USB stick or CD-R or similar) :/

" as "penises" every time I check FB

kind of annoying, but LAME has decent quality these days so meh

reosarevok: ...

Kind of a weird effect :p

what? you guys do not uses realaduio ?

i'm 12 and what is this

lol

I keep all my music in convenient youtube stream quality!

ancient format

[Buffering ... 60%]

(funnily enough, I'm so lazy about even downloading music lately, that's almost true...)

I have a group of people I do plug.dj stuff with regularly, and the only way to get audio into there is to use a youtube video or soundcloud stream

Heh, I haven't used plug in ages

Maybe I should check it out again - is there anything else than Czech/Slovak dnb rooms nowadays?

kepstin-laptop: ouch

what happened to good old shoutcast

what in the world is plug.dj?

it saves them from having to handle the music rights/royalties issues themselves

turntable.fm for non-US people

turntable.fm allows you to upload tracks directly to them, but that means they are dealing with the riaa directly

turntable.fm went under

Yeah, they closed us non-US people ages ago

Which might be related to the whole going-under thing

I've used turntable once a couple years back when I was visiting the states.

kepstin-laptop: A few years ago, the Danish royalty organisation ("KODA"), starting charging Danish music bloggers for their usage of YouTube, SoundCloud, etc. embedding in the blogs.

>.<

heh. I signed up on thespotify waiting list

You're not missing that much, and I say it as a subscriber :p

but I probably won't use it anyways

Feeling slightly better by giving the artist 0.00000001€ or something instead of 0 by streaming it somewhere else

spotify is pretty meh. I want last.fm radio back.

anyways, this google+ group has regular monthly plug.dj events, it's kind of fun: https://plus.google.com/b/113674935217411837197... :)

last.fm radio being gone is terrible :(

Ok, it has the entire BIS catalog and a few other decent classical labels, which is cool if you like that

But for popular stuff, it's not much that youtube can't offer for free

And for obscure/non-commercial stuff, it often doesn't have it at all.

Pretty much

the worst part of that is that it will in fact have some super rare stuff

It is kinda neat for making playlists for biking and stuff, if you have good 3G coverage and not much space on your phone/whatever

For actual PC use, not that much

I just end up listening to albums that I own on CD

because shuffle is broken

what's broken about shuffle?

the set of things to shuffle is wrong

I can't figure out a workflow that gets me something decent

like last.fm just played me

I guess I'm supposed to add a bunch of stuff to my "library" ?

and then shuffle that?

but like, that's just what last.fm allowed me to do without it being total fail, because intelligence?