not clear to me if this is primarily a performance space
2014-08-25 23720, 2014
hawke1
There’s at least one live album recorded there, and “1200-seat concert hall” sounds like a performance space to me. But I guess that doesn’t mean it’s “primarily” performance
I still think that there are data overload issues with CB as it stands
2014-08-25 23713, 2014
LordSputnik
but it is much better than MB for casual read-only usage
2014-08-25 23710, 2014
LordSputnik
and also a really great achievement for a GSoC project :)
2014-08-25 23706, 2014
Freso
Well, CB was pretty much already done by the very first day of official GSoC. Roman really did an outstanding job on that GSoC task this summer. .)
2014-08-25 23707, 2014
Freso
:)
2014-08-25 23732, 2014
_Dave_
So...is there any notion of "original recording" in musicbrainz?
2014-08-25 23742, 2014
derwin
I believe the answer is "no"
2014-08-25 23707, 2014
Freso
Not as it currently stands anyway.
2014-08-25 23729, 2014
Freso
Back when Recordings were new, we had a lot(!) of discussion about how to define them.
2014-08-25 23742, 2014
_Dave_
I'll bet
2014-08-25 23702, 2014
Freso
Some were proponents of it being the actual studio recording, but it ended being mixes.
2014-08-25 23720, 2014
Freso
(Most people were either Recording==a master or Recording==a mix.)
2014-08-25 23731, 2014
LordSputnik
I'm still interested in having Performance and Master entities
2014-08-25 23701, 2014
hawke1 wonders what would be meant by 'original recording'. ;-)
2014-08-25 23703, 2014
_Dave_
I figured this would be a difficult idea to express, since humans disagree on it too
2014-08-25 23707, 2014
_Dave_
well
2014-08-25 23726, 2014
LordSputnik
hawke1: you really want to go down this rabbit hole? :P
2014-08-25 23741, 2014
_Dave_
For me, it would be the first time the work(?) (I call that a song) was rendered in a medium for public consumption
2014-08-25 23705, 2014
hawke1
LordSputnik: I’m just not clear what _Dave_ meant by it. So in this case it’s something like 'original release'
2014-08-25 23709, 2014
LordSputnik
so the audio from a track on the original release?
2014-08-25 23717, 2014
_Dave_
*I'm* not clear what I mean by it ;)
2014-08-25 23726, 2014
_Dave_
from an anal perspective of course
2014-08-25 23734, 2014
LordSputnik
the original mastered recording, I guess?
2014-08-25 23742, 2014
_Dave_
yeah
2014-08-25 23745, 2014
_Dave_
that would work
2014-08-25 23705, 2014
_Dave_
there's problems of course
2014-08-25 23708, 2014
Freso
From an anal perspective, I guess it could still easily be a bit muddy...
2014-08-25 23710, 2014
hawke1
_Dave_: Then yes, we have that … kind of. Since all recordings are shared among any masters, the earliest release should contain that recording.
2014-08-25 23714, 2014
Freso
(Sorry... >_>)
2014-08-25 23732, 2014
_Dave_
Oye Como Va was originally done by Tito Puente but common humanity knows the Santana version as original too
2014-08-25 23753, 2014
_Dave_
so when i ask a random person "who did Oye Como Va" they say "Santana"
2014-08-25 23711, 2014
_Dave_
when I ask MusicBrainz, it should say "Tito Puente" (if I ask for original recording)
2014-08-25 23713, 2014
hawke1
_Dave_: So you’re talking more about songs and covers, than about recordings?
2014-08-25 23738, 2014
_Dave_
I had never considered mixes to be relevant data for my purposes, but you are correct there are different mixes
2014-08-25 23744, 2014
_Dave_
and that would confuse things
2014-08-25 23749, 2014
_Dave_
let's see though...I believe the example of "The Lemon Song" would break my definition since that was originally done by Leadbelly but it's commonly known to be done by Led Zeppelin
Just because "it is known" does not mean "it is correct".
2014-08-25 23744, 2014
Freso
MusicBrainz is about the latter rather than the former.
2014-08-25 23741, 2014
_Dave_
And I prefer the latter of course...however "what is correct" can confuse an issue with correct but irrelevant data
2014-08-25 23733, 2014
_Dave_
I'm just getting into AcoustID/Musicbrainz tagging ideas and when I do a lookup, there's lots of correct (I presume) information that I don't care about...and I have to sift through it
2014-08-25 23720, 2014
derwin
many songs credited to leadbelly
2014-08-25 23723, 2014
derwin
are in fact [traditional]
2014-08-25 23731, 2014
derwin
so it's even worse for you
2014-08-25 23739, 2014
_Dave_
what is "traditional"?
2014-08-25 23751, 2014
derwin
folk music
2014-08-25 23754, 2014
hawke1
a special case of "unknown" :-)
2014-08-25 23757, 2014
_Dave_
lol
2014-08-25 23711, 2014
_Dave_
how do you know the special case if the general case is unknown?
2014-08-25 23704, 2014
Freso
Works that are the result of multiple, unknown (and most often unknowable) folks - usually be passing the work down in an oral tradition.
2014-08-25 23724, 2014
_Dave_
I see
2014-08-25 23730, 2014
Freso <- trad./"folk" musician
2014-08-25 23748, 2014
_Dave_
Yeah, I'm just a jazz player ;)
2014-08-25 23706, 2014
_Dave_
I never got into what was 'folk' since you can't carry a piano too far
