#musicbrainz

Can't remember what was decided

I'd probably put the second barcode on the annotation

(unsure which one I'd pick as the "main" barcode though...)

Ideally, you'd also upload a picture of the sticker (or the back with vs. without it) to the Cover Art Archive :)

(but definitely not *required* or anything)

rosarevok: Thanks. I have the impression that this was the cheap way to make a European version out of the US one.

Will add some info to the annotation

ruaok: kloeri said the OpenSource Days crowd possibly has some favourite food venues close to the summit venue. Should we collect food place data on the wiki or would you prefer to gather it in some other way?

wiki would be perfect, I think.

Roger. :)

ok, I'll see if I can add a few recommendations

JonnyJD: about your comment on MBS-5676. Would that mean it's a wontfix?

CallerNo6: possibly, but not everybody is for making the json WS stable at all

it is on the agenda for the next chat

Declaring it stable wouldn’t mean that additions are impossible, it’s only about incompatible changes (removing/renaming/otherwise modifying things so that old software stops working).

A friend of mine made a point that tagging music is only for people who download pirated music, as those who buy it from iTunes (or other sites) already have it correctly tagged.

Is this really the case?

dufferzafar: does your friend own any CDs?

dufferzafar: does your friend listen any non-western music?

chirlu`: yeah, that's what I would have thought. Which is why I was confused to see the comment on that particular ticket.

(which is an addition?)

hi all

dufferzafar: I don;t use iTunes

Cd rips, amazon, etc

:)

Last night I added a release that is a 2 disc edition

one of them is a video DVD

currently, I;ve added this as a DVD-video media with a single track (it wouldn't let me leave it wioth no tracks

is there a better way of adding this?

#https://musicbrainz.org/release/01e97e43-dc06-4e7e-8541-976064584683

either that or remove the dvd, but that's what makes this edition special

There's no real good way

So what you did probably works

fair enough

maybe someway to say it's not a music "track"

Well

You can edit the recording to mark it as video

But that's about it

ah yes, done

CallerNo6: Music on CDs is not tagged? (Sorry, but I've never owned a CD)

dufferzafar: if you rip a CD, you need to tag the files.

Okay.

(maybe some have rudimentary metadata. certainly not all)

that would be great though - we'd no longer have to fight over whether something on the cover is artist intent, something the cover designer did for fun or something else

But even if they have some metadata, without an MBID you don't have access to all the relationships.

(well, without an MBID or some equivalent)

Hopefully next-gen media players will be using those relationships.

you can in theory include some short/simple string title+artist on cds using CD-TEXT extensions, but it's very uncommon.

tbh, i've only seen it on burned cds, since some burning software fills it in from file metadata tags.

I have a few commercial releases with CD-TEXT but it's uncommon... and likely not even entered by the artists, so it doesn't really solve any artist-intent questions.

Kind of surprises me to see someone that's never owned a CD :P

they had a second-generation sony cd player, and a collection of original pressings of a variety of music :)

The oldest CD I have is over 30 years old :P

(the copy I have is very quiet by modern standards)

haha

dufferzafar: in general, the Red Book (the original CD Audio) standard did not provide any mechanisms for metadata. CD-TEXT came around sometime in the 1990s that used some previously-unused subchannels in the disc lead-in to store some basic information

fun fact - although that album has the DDD marking, it was actually mixed on an analog console (they ran it through a dac, then the console, then an adc, and back to digital tape)

I don't think CD-TEXT even supports multiple-artist discs properly (each track having its own credits) but I may very well be wrong about that

I don't think that's the oldest cd I have, but being a 1985 release it's pretty close to chungy's 30 year old disc :)

but yeah... the only reliable metadata on any CD Audio disc is the table-of-contents which is just technical stuff to line out the number of tracks, durations, and intervals between them

IIRC the original Red Book doesn't even allow gapless tracks, minimum of 2 seconds between them

and of course seeking in cds is done via subchannel info, and until modern equipment was only about ~1s accurate :/

Right, and ripping CDs in a computer drive remains problematic today

at least modern drives will always seek to the same place if you repeatedly ask them for a particular sector :)

Most drives are not made for accurate retrieval of that information. The firmware is normally happy to just extrapolate and 'repair' errors on its own without informing software

'repair' normally meaning to just silence a sector. In normal playback, you might not miss 1/75 of a second being missing...

it would normally just sound like a tiny bit of distortion, yeah

on a modern pop cd you'd hardly notice at all ;)

For well-kept discs, no, but people that abuse their discs and have tons of scratches... you'll probably have trouble.

Often I'll just look at a disc through a window or some other light and tell someone "Yeah, I can see holes in the data layer, you're not recovering this"

at least now that cd burners are common, there's no reason to store originals in a car any more :)

(even less so, now that most new car players can just play off usb drives)

Quite a lot of them support bluetooth and you can just stream from your phone ;)

as if I could fit a worthwhile amount of music on my phone, or afford the data charges to stream it ;)

Well, stream as in just passing the audio over bluetooth, where the source is on your phone doesn't matter. It can be *.mp3 or *.ogg files stored directly :P

storing lots of music files is what this thing is for: https://twitter.com/kepstin/status/499045250703... :)

but no bluetooth (or any other radio on that)

haha

Bluetooth on a classic iPod would be sweet

apparently some people have figured out how to replace the hard drive in these things with modern msata SSDs

get up to 512GB from one of those

wow

slight cost to battery life tho; the ssd requires more current for write operations.

Some car radios have an audio-in jack, you can still use your iPod... but at any rate, a lot of people still use their original CDs in car stereos...

and have awful ways to store them (loose stacks of discs that scrape across all surfaces...)

yeah, and all the temperature changes and going over bumps in cheap players, and ...

As technical-oriented people, it seems strange, but ripping CDs or duplicating them is still a large challenge to most people. It's no fault of their own, it does require a lot of know-how.

Probably why iTunes and Amazon MP3 are popular, they are easy.

I still like buying CDs, although I've often bought download-only releases when I can get FLACs

They give a physicality to my ownership, which is nice. Sometimes the packaging is too, but honestly, that's never been a strong suit with CDs.

since they removed the right of resale, I am reticent to buy things

when someone sends me a digital store where I can resell the things I purchased

when I no longer want them

they also provide some form of back up if I ever lost my hard disks and all of their backups. But likely, I'd be more distraut than just losing my music :P

I will find the argument for buying music much more compelling

Who removed the right of resale?

I still have it in the US.

people who designed digital stores to not support the right

for now at least... we're rapidly losing all other rights so :/

yes, I can resale physical media, but digital I have no resale right to

or market in which to resell it

strange that artists and record companies never mention this

Eh

considering that the biggest competition to a new copy is a used copy

or perhaps it's not strange at all, just.. self serving.

It's not a simple legal question, because with a digital copy, your original does not need to go away. There's a huge concern for just making money off of selling endless copies.