and I only know of the W. because that's needed to distinguish him from his father
2013-07-29 21024, 2013
hawke_1
kepstin-work: his father is H.W. (Herbert Walker)
2013-07-29 21045, 2013
hawke_1
Anyway, I guess the point I was getting at (with Tchaikovsky): Is the reason that Estonian excludes the middle name, because Estonians only have first/last? or just because no one bothered to add the middle name?
2013-07-29 21052, 2013
reosarevok
hawke_1: from my experience, Americans using Name1 Initial Name2 is reasonably common (not a majority thing maybe but still common) while elsewhere it's nonexistant, except in Russia where it's the same in a different way
2013-07-29 21013, 2013
oloP
also, second names are never in wikipedia introduction, and middle names are :)
2013-07-29 21025, 2013
reosarevok
mknjc_: you don't need to *exactly* recreate them by hand, in that just going there and selecting "add new recordings" for each one will do that itself
hawke_1: from what I've seen, ethnic Russian names in Estonian never use patronymics
2013-07-29 21021, 2013
reosarevok
(and there are lots of ethnic Russians living around)
2013-07-29 21027, 2013
kepstin-work
simukis_: oh, 発熱巫女～ず (hatsunetsumiko's) is pretty good too :)
2013-07-29 21049, 2013
hawke_1
reosarevok: That doesn’t mean it’s not part of their name, though…
2013-07-29 21017, 2013
reosarevok
Well, I don't know how they're *registered*, I haven't seen their passports
2013-07-29 21032, 2013
hawke_1
I mean, my full name is “Alex Leonard Mauer”, even though the middle name only appears on my birth certificate, and the middle initial only on credit cards and such.
2013-07-29 21051, 2013
hawke_1
I don’t *use* that name, but it’s still there.
2013-07-29 21011, 2013
hawke_1
And it would still be there even if I moved to spain or estonia or iceland. :-)
hawke_1: hmm, some countries have (or at least used to have) interesting laws regarding foreign names :)
2013-07-29 21006, 2013
reosarevok
Also notice all of those aliases which are marked as somthing aren't marked as "legal name" :p
2013-07-29 21009, 2013
kepstin-work
eg. until recently, in order to become a japanese citizen, you'd have to choose a native japanese name...
2013-07-29 21018, 2013
simukis_
kepstin-work: what's with zu at the end?
2013-07-29 21028, 2013
kepstin-work
simukis_: they're being silly.
2013-07-29 21037, 2013
kepstin-work
that's the 's
2013-07-29 21043, 2013
kepstin-work
in hatsunetsumiko's
2013-07-29 21048, 2013
hawke_1
reosarevok: But that’s because it only has fields for …what, given name, and surname? — they don’t have a 'full name' field.
2013-07-29 21023, 2013
hawke_1
If someone asked me to fill something out and it only listed first/last name (or given/family name) I would only do the first and the last…not because it’s specifically excluded.
2013-07-29 21040, 2013
reosarevok
huh, an American passport sample doesn't seem to have a full name field either
2013-07-29 21052, 2013
kepstin-work
U.S. and Canada passport applications explicitly request that you fill out first, middle, and surnames iirc.
2013-07-29 21057, 2013
reosarevok
Only "Given names" and "surname"
2013-07-29 21004, 2013
hawke_1
right
2013-07-29 21053, 2013
kepstin-work
hmm. the canadian application apparently is requesting "Surname (last name)", "Given name(s)", "Surname (last name) at birth", "Former surname (former last name)", and "Mother's maiden name"
2013-07-29 21033, 2013
reosarevok
A Russian one seems to use the same as the American one too, Surname / Given names (which I expect is anyway an international convention) in both Cyrillic in Latin with "Given names" seemingly always including the patronymic in Cyrillic but only sometimes (maybe for old ones?) in Latin
2013-07-29 21042, 2013
hawke joined the channel
2013-07-29 21037, 2013
reosarevok
Which makes sense, since I think Tchaikovsky and, to some level, Lenin are the only two Russians for which I've often seen the patronymic being used when using their names in Latin script
2013-07-29 21020, 2013
reosarevok
I've pretty much never seen it used for, say, Stravinsky or Prokofiev in Latin
2013-07-29 21026, 2013
hawke_1
Maybe Latin just really lives “Illyich”?
2013-07-29 21030, 2013
hawke_1
*loves
2013-07-29 21031, 2013
reosarevok
Maybe!
2013-07-29 21049, 2013
kepstin-work found the signup form on https://www.minc.gr.jp/ to be quite amusing, in how it asks for your family/given name 3 times, once each in kanji, kana, and latin transliteration.
2013-07-29 21056, 2013
reosarevok
mknjc_: when/if you enter said edits, feel free to paste a link here for us to approve them since the issue is obviously wrong now :)
2013-07-29 21033, 2013
warp
kepstin-work: wow, fun. are any of them optional?
2013-07-29 21049, 2013
kepstin-work
warp: you only have to fill in one of either the kana or latin, iirc.
2013-07-29 21003, 2013
kepstin-work
and it also asks which prefecture in japan you live in, and doesn't give any options appropriate to foreigners, yes :)
2013-07-29 21027, 2013
warp
:)
2013-07-29 21041, 2013
hawke_1
…is it worth keeping birth/death dates in search hints?
2013-07-29 21011, 2013
kepstin-work
hawke_1: they're not birth/death dates, they're start/end dates :)
2013-07-29 21054, 2013
kepstin-work
you should go and find out when that alias was first used to refer to the person, and set that as the start date :)
2013-07-29 21013, 2013
hawke_1
Well, in this case it’s a birth/death date. :-p
2013-07-29 21035, 2013
kepstin-work
well, did we stop using that name after the person died? no? then remove the end date ;)
Can I have an approve please? Trying to enter a new release version and it turns out some track lengths and AcoustIDs are different: https://musicbrainz.org/edit/23124306
