is it bad practise to come here and beg for votes? :P
2013-07-02 18315, 2013
Leftmost
In general, it's probably best only to ask for votes if you need them to continue editing.
2013-07-02 18351, 2013
ackthet
can i merge a 3rd CD while waiting for the 2nd CD to merge?
2013-07-02 18343, 2013
ackthet
next time i'll do it the other way around <_<
2013-07-02 18323, 2013
Leftmost
You can merge multiple releases at one time. I think it will fail if you try two separate merges, though.
2013-07-02 18332, 2013
ackthet
ok
2013-07-02 18343, 2013
ackthet
so i cant add the 3rd one till it goes though
2013-07-02 18330, 2013
ackthet
do most things get reviewed? or if its something obscure will it take forever
2013-07-02 18357, 2013
culinko
you can cancel your merge
2013-07-02 18301, 2013
culinko
add all discs
2013-07-02 18308, 2013
culinko
and then merge all of them in one edit
2013-07-02 18316, 2013
ackthet
yeah
2013-07-02 18346, 2013
reosarevok
Yeah, that's generally the easiest way
2013-07-02 18351, 2013
reosarevok
(merging all CDs in one go)
2013-07-02 18312, 2013
reosarevok
Some edits never get reviewed (and end up passing after the 7 days pending time)
2013-07-02 18334, 2013
reosarevok
Merges I try to check
2013-07-02 18350, 2013
culinko
btw there is just a tiny difference in the release/RG title (e/i), not sure if that's intentional
2013-07-02 18357, 2013
reosarevok
Anyway, for cases where it's needed for tagging, just asking for the votes here can make sense
2013-07-02 18305, 2013
reosarevok
Just not for every edit :)
2013-07-02 18319, 2013
flamingspinach
wouldn't it be easier to hack picard to grab open edits and apply them locally?
2013-07-02 18346, 2013
reosarevok
flamingspinach: no, especially since ackthet said they prefer beets :p
2013-07-02 18303, 2013
flamingspinach
haha
2013-07-02 18307, 2013
flamingspinach
but for picard users
2013-07-02 18315, 2013
flamingspinach
surely that should be possible, no?
2013-07-02 18339, 2013
reosarevok
But anyway, I'm unconvinced by a "use open edits" feature. I'm still worried it will lead to people making changes that go against the guidelines because they want to use them for tagging, and letting them for people to downvote
2013-07-02 18343, 2013
reosarevok
Maybe I'm just paranoid :)
2013-07-02 18317, 2013
flamingspinach
hmm, that might happen
2013-07-02 18349, 2013
nikki
mb itself doesn't even know what the final outcome will look like, so I can't see how picard would :P
2013-07-02 18314, 2013
nikki
(that's why edits sit around open until they fail when modbot tries to apply them)
2013-07-02 18321, 2013
culinko
i don't miss it because i usually edit stuff that i don't have in collection just because i see a tiny mistake. hello VA releases :/
2013-07-02 18329, 2013
flamingspinach
nikki: picard could give a best-effort approximation
2013-07-02 18335, 2013
flamingspinach
in most cases that would work fine
2013-07-02 18353, 2013
flamingspinach
also since it's doing everything locally it can actually try to apply the edits and figure out what's going on
2013-07-02 18301, 2013
nikki
and I don't think there's any way we'll ever do anything like that with the current edit system. we have enough queries that time out without adding a load more
2013-07-02 18303, 2013
ackthet
i wish i could give the add new disc a discID
2013-07-02 18305, 2013
flamingspinach
unlike the server where doing that on the whole db every time someone made a single edit would be impossible
2013-07-02 18338, 2013
flamingspinach
nikki does that mean I should disable my userscripts which fetch the number of open edits on every entity page on mbz :P
2013-07-02 18352, 2013
nikki
the webservice is responsible for the vast vast majority of hits we get, and if people can get that information, they're going to request it for everything by default
2013-07-02 18331, 2013
reosarevok
ackthet: yeah, being able to add a disc with a discID to an existing release is something we really should allow
2013-07-02 18336, 2013
reosarevok
I'm unsure why it hasn't been worked on
2013-07-02 18346, 2013
reosarevok
Or maybe it has and it proved to be quite hard? I don't know
2013-07-02 18352, 2013
reosarevok
nikki, do you know?
2013-07-02 18354, 2013
nikki
because it involves the release editor
2013-07-02 18318, 2013
reosarevok
heh, well, yeah, but we have made much more pointless changes to the RE recently
2013-07-02 18324, 2013
reosarevok
*cough* trackids *cough*
2013-07-02 18325, 2013
culinko
hah, the all mighty release editor without bugs
2013-07-02 18342, 2013
reosarevok
Yet we can't add the one thing that actually is useful for everyone :/
2013-07-02 18350, 2013
nikki
yeah and look at how much broke in the process
2013-07-02 18308, 2013
reosarevok
Yeah, I know :p
2013-07-02 18317, 2013
reosarevok
I'm just sad that if we were to implement one thing, it was that and not this
2013-07-02 18326, 2013
reosarevok
Well, hopefully bitmap's work will make it a bit simpler
2013-07-02 18322, 2013
ackthet
ahhh the things i do instead of working on actual research
2013-07-02 18350, 2013
culinko
mb is like a black hole
2013-07-02 18354, 2013
culinko
it will suck you in :P
2013-07-02 18303, 2013
ackthet
i must have propert tags!
2013-07-02 18349, 2013
culinko
i really hope http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-5130 will be worked on at some point in the future. because of the checkbox "copy all changes", many potentially wrong edits are being entered very often.
2013-07-02 18334, 2013
reosarevok
I really hope if it's changed, there's a second option for the current behaviour
2013-07-02 18356, 2013
culinko
i was thinking about the possibilities
2013-07-02 18304, 2013
reosarevok
Because more often than not it's what I want when I enter such an edit, even if I changed nothing more than one letter
2013-07-02 18312, 2013
culinko
the best option i found was to display like 10 checkmarks :P
2013-07-02 18340, 2013
reosarevok
(stuff like some editor fixing a tracklist but forgetting / not knowing how to do the recordings)
2013-07-02 18353, 2013
culinko
yeah, i do that too
2013-07-02 18320, 2013
culinko
but i also see people changing multiple recording names/artists/durations just because they changed 1 typo
2013-07-02 18319, 2013
culinko
i was thinking about checkmarks: all track info->recordings, track titles->recordings, track artists->recordings, track durations->recordings, my tracklist changes-> recordings, my track title changes->recordings, my track artist changes->recordings, my track duration changes->recordings
2013-07-02 18322, 2013
culinko
but that's too many:P
2013-07-02 18303, 2013
hawke joined the channel
2013-07-02 18351, 2013
ackthet
has there ever been talk of a musicbrainz for movies?
2013-07-02 18304, 2013
ackthet
moviebrainz
2013-07-02 18314, 2013
reosarevok
yes
2013-07-02 18325, 2013
reosarevok
But we have few resources as is
2013-07-02 18324, 2013
hawke_1 joined the channel
2013-07-02 18349, 2013
ackthet
:(
2013-07-02 18354, 2013
JonnyJD_ joined the channel
2013-07-02 18324, 2013
reosarevok
So, the only clear way I can see us doing it is either someone coming and saying "I'll pay for the development" or someone coming and saying "I want to do this for free, it sounds fun"
2013-07-02 18336, 2013
reosarevok
(and the only one I can see getting finished is the former)
2013-07-02 18348, 2013
ackthet
reosarevok: so im on the discid tab... how do i add?
2013-07-02 18354, 2013
reosarevok
There was a plan to do a bookbrainz, but it stalled because we just didn't have the time
2013-07-02 18303, 2013
ackthet
mmm that would also be nice
2013-07-02 18319, 2013
reosarevok
Oh, heh. There should be a link there to a page that explains how to add them, but with Picard
2013-07-02 18327, 2013
reosarevok
I have no idea if beets has an option for it...
2013-07-02 18336, 2013
ackthet
i have the discid
2013-07-02 18347, 2013
ackthet
i cant just add it? :(
2013-07-02 18300, 2013
reosarevok
What do you mean you have it? :)
2013-07-02 18316, 2013
ackthet
like, when i got to rip a CD in prints hte discID out
(I didn't know we had mm. - what is that anyway? :/ ianmcorvidae?)
2013-07-02 18329, 2013
ianmcorvidae
it's just an alias for the main site
2013-07-02 18339, 2013
reosarevok
oh
2013-07-02 18341, 2013
reosarevok
ok
2013-07-02 18347, 2013
ianmcorvidae
as ruaok put it when someone else was asking about it the other day
2013-07-02 18353, 2013
ianmcorvidae
it was old-style future-proofing
2013-07-02 18303, 2013
ianmcorvidae
as I put it, that the future ended up making obsolete :)
2013-07-02 18315, 2013
ianmcorvidae
the notion was it should be possible to put that stuff on a different server if that ended up useful
2013-07-02 18325, 2013
ianmcorvidae
but then things like nginx came along that make that easy to do anyway, so :P
2013-07-02 18329, 2013
reosarevok
I guess we can't remove it though, given how that program at least uses it
2013-07-02 18332, 2013
reosarevok
Well, whatever
2013-07-02 18336, 2013
ianmcorvidae
yeah, but it doesn't really matter
2013-07-02 18345, 2013
ianmcorvidae
it's a line in a DNS config somewhere and that's basically it :P
2013-07-02 18352, 2013
reosarevok
Anyway, I'm off to play some Crusader Kings and sleep, but I'm sure other people here can help further if needed :)
2013-07-02 18353, 2013
ackthet
i think that url is generated by the linux library
2013-07-02 18301, 2013
ianmcorvidae
yes, libdiscid generates it
2013-07-02 18304, 2013
reosarevok
Night! :)
2013-07-02 18308, 2013
ianmcorvidae
later reo
2013-07-02 18316, 2013
ackthet
reosarevok: thanks for the help!
2013-07-02 18318, 2013
ackthet
aww damn
2013-07-02 18306, 2013
JonnyJD_
what program uses the submission_url in a non-transparent way?
2013-07-02 18337, 2013
ackthet
JonnyJD_: are you asking what that program was?
2013-07-02 18350, 2013
ackthet
its morituri (a high security CD ripper)
2013-07-02 18352, 2013
JonnyJD_
ackthet: looks like morituri is what you used
2013-07-02 18356, 2013
ackthet
yeah
2013-07-02 18351, 2013
JonnyJD_
hm, okay. submission_url is used transparently
2013-07-02 18332, 2013
JonnyJD_
I was thinking about skipping the whole redirection and return the real/current URL with libdiscid, but I am not sure if anything depends on this url having a certain form
