#musicbrainz

even if i can't find the new song in any database like ISWC and GEMA's?

sure, we don't limit works to things we can find in other databases :)

ok

and do i have to link these works together in some way?

ideally yes

but I don't know which relationship fits best

and should i set the composers of the original work as the composers for the new one? or just add the artists for the new lyrics

I'd possibly do "based on"

I would add whatever credits apply. we don't have a way to inherit relationships

(and add the composers)

http://www.discogs.com/Beatsteaks-Kanonen-Auf-S... CD1-12 on this release

original song is hell on wheels from fu manchu with the composers listed on the discogs link

i would add marten erbsen as lyrics guy and the guys from fu manchu as composers

and then look if i find any good way to relate those two works

Derivative work relationship from the docs looks like a good one i guess

Yeah, I mean, it's either "version of" or "based on"

(both of wich are derivative work thingies)

I think "based on" is more of an adaption, isn't it?

is the basis for read quite good: "This links two works, where the second work is based on music or text from the first, but isn't directly a revision or an arrangement of it."

i have no clue what i revision or an arrangement would be

though

"The new work must be a new composition, not just an arrangement or the same music with different or translated lyrics. " hm...looks like this would apply here. so it would be the wrong one

yeeeargh: arrangement = rewriting the existing work to be played by new instruments

revision is a later version of the work by the same composer

arangement shouldn't be used in "pop" music anyways according to the doc

so, Beethoven might have written a really crap symphony, then revised it to make Symphony #5, then you'd use revision

yeeeargh: not generally, no, because recordings have something to deal with that (forgotten what it is)

"Note: This should rarely be used for pop music" ...

musicbrainz.org/doc/relationship-types/7440b539... how about this one... it's more general

yeeeargh: i'd use basis, unless it's a parody, then i'd use "earliest version" with the parody attribute

yeah, basis sounds good if there wouldn't be that passage: "The new work must be a new composition, not just an arrangement or the same music with different or translated lyrics. " but the lyrics are completely different and not just translated

(that line should be in the bullet point list)

so i guess "other version" is the better one... and i leave translated unselected, because it's not the same text in a different language

Question: How do we add areas?

i believe there is a bot who looks at wikidata entries with specific attributes like "instance of: city" "is in the administrative unit" and so on

there is a thread about that somewhere in the forums where it is explained a bit

just search for area and you'll find it

I'm not sure how one would determine if a release was European or German, so opinions on https://musicbrainz.org/edit/23481110 would be helpful.

Badly

reosarevok: To get a new area, do we have to ask you or nikki, or do we have to add it to wikidata?

Wikidata. What's the area?

Belen, New Mexico, US

So, I need to go get a wikidata account I guess.

http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q815390 it's already there... you would have to add "is in the administrative unit" and it should be recognised by the bot

no...not needed

You can edit without one, it'll check by IP or whatever

If you have a wikipedia account, it's the same, too, IIRC

yea, not sure I want my ip addy stuck to edits

should work without... i have added some citys in the past

"is in the administrative unit: Q487283" this should be the attribute you want to add

yea, just trying to find out where to do that at

below the other attributes theres an "add button"

then you enter "is in the administrative unit" into the property field

Or P131 :)

(faster)

and "Q487283" int the field next to it, and then save.... if you want you can add a source too

*in

Well, I just typed "New Mexico" and it added it.

What is source for?

where you got your information from... i don't think that it's necessary for the edit to go through, but nice to know... and i guess putting in the county would be better then the state

heh

For us it doesn't matter since we don't have counties :)

(might be better for wikidata proper though)

yeah, still, better information in wikidata... when you do the work you might as well do it right

ok... now "Valencia County, New Mexico"

Good tip

So, now the bot will pick it up?

Should do, if it's also set as city or town

(god, the site is SO HORRIBLY SLOW :( )

It's not automatic though - or well, it is, but not instant

i guess so, to my knowlege those are the only attributes the bot looks for.... don't know how often the bot runs. so no clue when it will show up here

It checks every 3 h IIRC?

nikki would know :)

hmmm, some of the entries have county only, some have state and county

Shouldn't matter

still waiting bot to support municipalities ;)

I think as long as it has one of the two it should catch it

ListMyCDs: it does! Kinda. It added the Italian ones

Talk to nikki about the Finnish :p

need to do that :D

Yea, I was just wondering cause in MB some of these show up different, was wonder was causes it.... https://musicbrainz.org/area/0c693f90-d889-4abe...

Some have the state on the name, some don't

Oh

looks like it picks up the name of the wikidata-entity

That's probably just the wikidata name

yeah

We were planning to remove it from titles once it gets inheritance right

http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q33264 without state, http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q676171 one with state

As long as it says just "City, in United States", it's useful disambiguation

Ah, depends on what the entry title.

That explains why county does the same thing.

alrighty... i'm out for today... have a nice [insert name for local daytime]

has Musicbrainz been having server problems the last several days?

I'd say 90% of my page loads / note submissions fail after 30 seconds due to bad gateways

Fri-Sun it was really slow, with people mentioning timeouts

still happening right now.

reosarevok: how does the wikidata thingy work? i see some SK cities there, but not sure what to do to so the bot could pick them...

yindesu: one server's out for updating, temporary replacement turned out to be crap

(so, yes)

culinko: needs P31 (instance of) set to city or town, and P131 (administrative division) set to either some area we have in MB, or some area which itself has P131 to some area we have in MB

I'm sort of hoping someone else can chime in on musicbrainz.org/edit/23479631 and explain Reissues.

I don't deal with a lot of Reissues or the labels the editor is bringing up

reosarevok: well, the city is linked to the subdivision we already have in mb

And is it listed as a city or town? :)

(instance of)

city

huh

Then it should have been added

Link? :)

well

i was wrong

it is linked to a district and the district is linked to region in mb

no, that's fine

You were wrong in that it doesn't have instance of

"city" on a text-only description doesn't count :p

oh :P

So add that and it should get added

where exactly?

"Add" after the list of statements

P31 on the left, "city" on the right

(make sure you pick the city that is related to settlements, not some other random meaning :) )

btw. what's the difference between city and town? just to be sure i won't do anything wrong

God knows :p

City is bigger :p

But I have no idea what the actual limits are - I kinda use city for stuff over 50k people or 100k or so

i mean, you added http://beta.musicbrainz.org/edit/22502995 that has like 3k people:P

I did, but marked it as town :)

(in wikidata, we don't have the difference ourselves)

village-town-city... per wiki Villiage = serveral hundred people.... town bigger...... city bigger.

you know, to get them into mb

It varies by location, according to wikipedia.

culinko: town also works :)

ok, but where to draw the line:)

(village doesn't though, not automatically)

heh, who knows. Zilina looked like a city when I was there and Trnava more like a town :D