#musicbrainz

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      • jesus2099
        ah ok I wait 1 minute and then ok
      • kepstin-work
        how are you posting to the list? it might just be a restriction on that interface.
      • jesus2099
        they tell me etiquette blabla and link me to « What is a mailing list ? » http://n4.nabble.com/help/Answer.jtp?id=17 but i know what is a ML, it’s a total crap  ;P
      • ok done, i have to wait 1 or 2 minute between each post or something like that
      • kepstin-work
        ah, yeah, that restriction is just on nabble because they don't want people to use nabble for spam
      • if you sent emails directly, you wouldn't have that problem.
      • jesus2099
        sending e-mails ? oww, come on…  ;)
      • flamingspinach
        or through gmane
      • gmane is superior to mail-archive and nabble
      • hawke_1
        email is hard, let’s go shopping? :-)
      • jesus2099
        gmane is quite strange stuff i don’t understand it :)
      • flamingspinach
        if you use emacs, you can connect to it from the gnus newsreader
      • kepstin-work
        well, all nabble does is take the stuff you type in, convert it to an email from a fake address, then send it to the list.
      • jesus2099
        uh oh
      • flamingspinach
        or you can use the web interface
      • (well, or any other news reader program :P)
      • hawke_1
        Thunderbird! :-D
      • jesus2099
        kepstin-work: not a fake adress it’s only me setting a fake adress, otherwise you’re supposed to post with your true validated adress
      • but that’s not jesus2099 friendly
      • kepstin-work
        jesus2099: we don't allow secondary release types to be used only for one primary type.
      • just fyi :)
      • kepstin-work would add "mini-album" either as a new primary type or an alternative name to EP
      • jesus2099
        and when the same artist has both mini album and EP ? (like Galneryus)
      • IIRC
      • ah then would add "mini-album" is ok
      • kepstin-work
        and maxi-single is... tricky. it's more of a media description (12cm vs 8cm or 12" vs 7")
      • jesus2099
        indeed
      • not only
      • kepstin-work
        and we already record the media size :)
      • jesus2099
        in fr when we had singles. they were all on 12cm but we had singles (A or A+B) and maxi sinfgles (more than A+B)
      • kepstin-work
        I would support adding "Mini-Album" as a new primary type, but not as a secondary type.
      • jesus2099
        imo mini albums should be displayed in line with albums, not appart, this is why i prefer sub-type
      • Lotheric
        I would argue that a mini-album is a short album therefore an album
      • kepstin-work
        well, subtypes can be used with any primary type.
      • jesus2099
        (thinking of onmyo-za)
      • maybe subtypes can be used with any primary type is a limitation that must be got rid of ?
      • kepstin-work
        Lotheric: it really is a separate type of release, imo; particularly in japanese usage.
      • jesus2099: no, that's the reason for secondary types
      • they aren't subtypes
      • jesus2099
        ah
      • hawke_1
        New image uploader is awesome, btw.
      • kepstin-work
        primary types are for things that are exclusive - something can't be an album and single at the same time
      • jesus2099
        but mini albums i know in jpn are not to be extracted out of the album timeline
      • kepstin-work
        secondary types can be combined with other things.
      • jesus2099
        like Lotheric they are just smaller albums
      • says
      • so not different from album, just smallers
      • Lotheric
        but then we have EP that are shorter LP
      • hehe
      • jesus2099
        but EP are apart from albums
      • mini albums shouldn’t
      • EP are like "side projects"
      • Lotheric
        not always
      • jesus2099
        like hors-série (don’t know how to say)
      • flamingspinach: what is mail-archive ?
      • kepstin-work
      • jesus2099
        any of opera users here have migrated to the new chromium opera yet ?
      • kepstin-work
        http://www.mail-archive.com/musicbrainz-style [at lists.musicbrainz.org]/ in particular
      • jesus2099
        to be honset when i end up on such pages in web searches i usually fear away  ;)
      • but thanks ) :
      • snartal
        ok, my 413 Request Entity Too Large... seems come from to be trying to add a jpg, however it is under the 10mb limit
      • jesus2099
        no chromium opera migrated peoeplK ?
      • Lotheric has Opera but rarely use it
      • snartal: 10mb is huge for a bug screenshot
      • Lotheric
        I just updated it
      • jesus2099
        you should be more around 100k something
      • Lotheric: the superior to v12 ?
      • v13 or something ?
      • opera:about
      • Lotheric
        v12.16 it says it's the latest
      • snartal
        My screenshot is 1.25mb.... I was referring to where it says maximum file upload size is 10.00mb
      • Lotheric
        updated from within the program
      • jesus2099
        ah ok so you’re still in "normal" opera, like me… the nexrt one is so different they don’t force it with the inline updater
      • it’s like you loose every thing… IRC, e-mail, shortcuts, hacking, feeds, etc.
      • Lotheric
        I just use it when I have a problem with a specific site to compare (or I try with Firefox wihch I have as well)
      • ouch that's a radical change
      • jesus2099
        because it seems they have dropped everything and they took chromium with an opera logo  :/
      • adding just mouse gestures (from the huge opera feature list) back in
      • snartal
        ok, I zipped it and it worked.... dunno what is up with that.
      • jesus2099
        zipping a jpeg ?
      • sounds wrong
      • snartal
        Dunno what to tell ya, it worked.
      • jesus2099
        well, ya know…
      • MBS-6666 !!!!!!!!!!!
      • HOLY BEAST
      • flamingspinach
        聖獣
      • jesus2099
        ww
      • ↑how31337
      • flamingspinach: do you have a screen that wide ?
      • omgbbq
      • flamingspinach
        how wide?
      • jesus2099
        like your picture
      • flamingspinach
        what picture
      • jesus2099
        sorry it’s snartal
      • why do i keep thinking of you all the time, flamingspinach
      • flamingspinach
        it must be love
      • jesus2099
         ?
      • something like that, maybe
      • flamingspinach
        snartal: you're aware that the artist credit renaming happens in a different numbered edit, right?
      • kepstin-work
        ok, then modbot should be adding a comment linking to those other edits :)
      • jesus2099
        it’s a regression
      • there’s a ticket
      • flamingspinach
        ah, a regression in the modbot
      • snartal
        flamingspinach: I don't see another edit under my open edits
      • jesus2099
        there was a modbot text to link batch edits
      • kepstin-work
        flamingspinach: in the edit in question, there were no additional artist credit renaming edits generated.
      • jesus2099
      • kepstin-work
        flamingspinach: even though the user interface made it appear that the artist credits would be changed.
      • flamingspinach
        kepstin-work: oh
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      • well, I'm glad that it's not the opposite problem :)
      • if I unchecked those boxes and it still edited the artist credits that would suck
      • snartal
        So, if I do a rename artist credits... is there going to be additional modbot edits I will not see under my open edits?
      • jesus2099
        they have changed to be your own edits now
      • recently
      • kepstin-work
        snartal: all edits generated by you doing things on the website should appear under your account now :)
      • snartal
        ok, because I did a merge artist... all I get is a line which says "Rename Artist Credits Yes"
      • flamingspinach
        can I get some votes on this for tagging purposes? http://musicbrainz.org/edit/23276373
      • bricas
        looking for some votes for this so i can start merging some recordings: http://musicbrainz.org/edit/23265979
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      • snartal
        Opinions Please: VIAF "Purpose" (listed as a group, with what is on the artist cover as an alternate) ... or Artist Cover "Bam Crawford's Purpose" .. or ... AllMusic/Discogs "Bam Crawford"?
      • hawke_1
        most common as on cover
      • If they’re always “Bam Crawford’s Purpose” use that
      • if they’re usually “Purpose” but have a few releases as “Bam Crawford’s Purpose” then artist name “Purpose” with appropriate Artist Credits on the relevant release.
      • “Bam Crawford” seems wrong if he’s an actual person
      • (Presumably Bam Crawford would be a member of Bam Crawford’s Purpose though)
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      • *she. ;-)
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      • CallerNo6
        one of the things I've had knocking around in the back of my mind is a person/eponymous-band relationship.
      • snartal
        Seems its already there.
      • CallerNo6
        is it?
      • snartal
        Snartal's Really Cool Band is a group, of which Snartal, the artist is a member of.
      • ianmcorvidae
        that doesn't specify that it's an eponymous band specifically
      • CallerNo6
        ah, but this is more than member. it's more like, "any discography of [person] should include the discography of [eponymous band]". Like with e.g. Miles Davis
      • ianmcorvidae
        though it is a reasonable point that 'eponymous' could work as an attribute of member-of
      • kepstin-work
        CallerNo6: wanting a group's releases to show up on an artists page is not the same thing as a group having the name of the artist :)
      • CallerNo6
        agreed, I can't think of why an attribute wouldn't work
      • kepstin-work
        don't confuse the two :)
      • if we have an attribute indicating that a group takes its name from an artist, that would be separate from the relationship or attribute that indicates that the group's releases should be shown on the artist page.
      • ianmcorvidae
        one thing that would help here is having a real Person (as reosarevok is fond of asking for) rather than conflating artist and person
      • CallerNo6
        kepstin-work: understood. ianmcorvidae: agreed
      • ianmcorvidae
        (as in, there's the person itself and there's the person's role as a solo artist, and those are different things XD)
      • not that I'm volunteering to implement any of this crap, of course, but :P
      • kepstin-work
        man, we should just start a world-wide service that assigns every single person a uuid and stores all of their personal information.
      • ianmcorvidae
        :P
      • CallerNo6
        totally. because names are just search hints.
      • snartal
        Yep, scan and chip them at birth!
      • CallerNo6
        :s/names are/language is
      • kepstin-work
        yeah, then you can just use the rfid reader in your phone to find out who you're talking to :)