(well, 70114 items, some of them are the same release)
2013-01-07 00731, 2013
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2013-01-07 00736, 2013
flamingspinach
are there any plans to make importers for sites other than freedb?
2013-01-07 00755, 2013
flamingspinach
lately I've found myself adding a lot of releases that are already on vgmdb for example
2013-01-07 00703, 2013
flamingspinach
and discogs has a ton of stuff that would be nice to import
2013-01-07 00711, 2013
ianweller
there's a bunch of userscripts for that
2013-01-07 00714, 2013
derwin
flamingspinach: yeah, I use discogs userscript.. someone did a beatport one..
2013-01-07 00730, 2013
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ianmcorvidae
there's also going to be one from geordi, ultimately, which will (ultimately, again) have a number of data sources
2013-01-07 00708, 2013
ianmcorvidae
userscript-wise, there's also at least a bandcamp and a jamendo importer (though the latter may not work since their semi-recent update)
2013-01-07 00723, 2013
Lotheric
I just tagged a star wars soundtrack and I see all those (medley), is this a style guideline or something ? I'm not that familiar editing soundtracks. The booklet does not say (medley). I found a proposed guideline on the wiki... So what's the deal ? :)
my personal opinion: if the booklet doesn't say "(Medley)" then it shouldn't be in the track title
2013-01-07 00740, 2013
ianweller
that looks like a fairly old style guideline, probably dead now
2013-01-07 00744, 2013
Lotheric
That's my feeling too
2013-01-07 00704, 2013
Lotheric
I used Picard and then had to remove all those (medleys) from my tags, annoying :)
2013-01-07 00725, 2013
ianweller
go through and get rid of "(medley)" and see if somebody gets mad :)
2013-01-07 00727, 2013
Lotheric
The / makes it evident anyways
2013-01-07 00732, 2013
ianweller
yep
2013-01-07 00750, 2013
ianweller
now, if the booklet said "Tales of a Jedi Knight/Learn About the Force Medley" then i'd say parenthetical it but
2013-01-07 00754, 2013
ianweller
it doesn't
2013-01-07 00709, 2013
Lotheric
yeah that would be another story entirely
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flamingspinach
imho now that we have works and artist credits we don't really need style-based normalization of tracklists anymore
2013-01-07 00744, 2013
ianweller
flamingspinach: well, we do (capitalization, most importantly)
2013-01-07 00710, 2013
ianweller
classical track listings should be normalized in the database, etc
2013-01-07 00759, 2013
nikki
flamingspinach: we tried it, it didn't work. recordings are already too separate from the release to work
2013-01-07 00728, 2013
flamingspinach
nikki: tried what?
2013-01-07 00743, 2013
flamingspinach
ianweller: why?
2013-01-07 00754, 2013
nikki
not having so much style-based normalisation for tracklists
2013-01-07 00738, 2013
flamingspinach
I don't understand why recordings being too separate from the release would cause not having so much style-based normalization for tracklists not to work
2013-01-07 00709, 2013
nikki
because then there's nothing people can use for tagging if they want correct capitalisation or whatever
2013-01-07 00743, 2013
flamingspinach
but if you do have style-based normalization for tracklists then there's nothing people can use for tagging if they want an exact match with the release's tracklist / booklet / whatever
2013-01-07 00757, 2013
nikki
and given that most people in mb came to mb because they want their files to be nicely tagged, a lot of people got upset about it
2013-01-07 00713, 2013
nikki
we've never had that
2013-01-07 00721, 2013
flamingspinach
true, we haven't
2013-01-07 00724, 2013
flamingspinach
but we could :)
2013-01-07 00725, 2013
nikki
on the other hand, we've been normalising tracklists for a decade
2013-01-07 00751, 2013
nikki
so unless we add another layer of track/artist names, it doesn't work
2013-01-07 00758, 2013
nikki already gets annoyed by the ripper she's been using lately using recording info rather than track info
2013-01-07 00723, 2013
ianweller doesn't trust anything but picard to handle tags
2013-01-07 00735, 2013
flamingspinach
we could start denormalizing old tracklists, if we decided to go that way
2013-01-07 00736, 2013
ianweller
to write them, at least
2013-01-07 00705, 2013
flamingspinach
at least for me, the only reason I cared about normalized tracklists before NGS was because otherwise I had no way to identify two different recordings of the same work which had different names in the tracklists of different releases
2013-01-07 00729, 2013
ianweller
i care about tracklist normalization for a lot more reason than that
2013-01-07 00744, 2013
flamingspinach
fair enough I guess
2013-01-07 00751, 2013
flamingspinach
I guess I have an outlier opinion haha
2013-01-07 00700, 2013
nikki
ianweller: I was happy with my old setup, except for the lack of multi-disc support it worked fine :/
2013-01-07 00711, 2013
ianweller
i just straight up don't trust people to type in decent track names on the back of releases anymore
2013-01-07 00752, 2013
ianweller
a game soundtrack i was correcting the other day (i don't remember which one) had something /misspelled/
also, can someone add http://www.discogs.com/Various-The-Real-Birth-Of-… to the MB database? i get "Sorry, you must have been a member for at least 2 weeks and have 10 accepted non-auto-edits before you may add standalone recordings" when i try :(
2013-01-07 00719, 2013
antgel
ah, maybe i just need to add a "release". *confused*
2013-01-07 00733, 2013
Mineo
antgel: if the s3.archive.org error is a 404 then that's "intentional" - there's no other way than trying to download the index.json file if you want to know if a release has coverart in the caa
2013-01-07 00753, 2013
Mineo
amazon is probably the same, picard is just guessing URLs :)
2013-01-07 00727, 2013
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mudcrow
morning. IPI codes, I've noticed the same artist code given as 00162557368 and as 162557368 do we enter them with or without the leading zeros?
2013-01-07 00735, 2013
warp
mudcrow: I think they're normalized somewhere, so it shouldn't matter how you enter them.
2013-01-07 00722, 2013
mudcrow
warp: cheers, was worried I'd have to re-edit all the ones I've entered
2013-01-07 00713, 2013
Freso
antgel: Yeah, you need to add it as a release - not as stand-alone recordings.
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antgel
Mineo, Freso: thanks. i added the release, waiting for approval i think
2013-01-07 00759, 2013
Freso
antgel: :)
2013-01-07 00711, 2013
Freso
antgel: What's your editor/user name?
2013-01-07 00745, 2013
mudcrow
ISWC's search engine is utter crap :(
2013-01-07 00754, 2013
reosarevok
yes
2013-01-07 00705, 2013
reosarevok
Pretty much
2013-01-07 00725, 2013
mudcrow
it won't even find anything searching via the ISWC code itself now
2013-01-07 00742, 2013
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Freso
jesus2099: Lyrics site RFC/RFV's don't pass before Rob has chimed in.
I have a song that has few but significative lyrics change. There is a first version, then on concerts, the singer changes a few words like the generalised usage of 俺（おれ） instead of one 僕（ぼく） which seemed like maybe anomaly, etc. then there is a new studio version which changes a bit more like generalised translation of the chorus ジョーンジェットの犬→JOAN JETT’S DOG and with even an S at DOG��
2013-01-07 00746, 2013
jesus2099
thanks !
2013-01-07 00750, 2013
jesus2099
:) reosarevok ↖
2013-01-07 00726, 2013
jesus2099
At first I spotted the two studio “versions” and wanted to make two works (despite only the first does exist in JASRAC)
2013-01-07 00702, 2013
jesus2099
But then I saw that in lives there was an in-between “version(s)” too… So I guess it’s better keeping just one work and documenting the differences in recording annoations… right ?
2013-01-07 00726, 2013
jesus2099
not all lives are EXACTLY same… of course ;)
2013-01-07 00753, 2013
jesus2099
just small details so maybe I’m putting all this into the same work as it was already done…
