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ruaok
mo: you're right.
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TRM has no connection discid
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yllona
mo: i'm certainly confused on the issue
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ruaok
how can I clarify? I'm not sure what you're confused on.\
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mo
I am confused by peoples confusion.. it seems straightforward to me :/
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ruaok sighs
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erh, sorry?
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yllona
where do TRMs come from? thus far i've only imported albums from FreeDB. it is TRM necessary?
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DJKC
yllona: a TRM is an audio fingerprint generated by black magic by the relatable software from the data that clients send to the TRM server.
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TRMs are only for tagging
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have nothing to do with adding albums to the DB
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ruaok
TRMs are acoustic fingerprints that relate to TRACKS.
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yllona
so it's not necessry?okay.
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DJKC
if you tag a song manually you can submit the TRM so it's associated with the track
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ruaok
Disc ids are calculated from CD-ROMs and assoicated with ALBUMS.
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DJKC
so other people can look up the same track off just the TRM instead of having to do it manually
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yllona
DJKC: how do i manually submit the TRM?
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DJKC
TRMs are not used at any point when adding albums to the database no matter whether it's from a freedb import or a manual add
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yllona: I have no experience with the mac tagger, so I can't answer that
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mo
h�lledussen da, s� dumt :/
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DJKC
with the windows one there's just a button to submit them after you've manually matched up a song to it's entry on MB
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yllona
ok. call me stoopid, but is there anything that describes the complete relationship? TRM.+album ID, etc
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DJKC
trms have nothing to do with albums
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at all
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yllona
documentation, i mean
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DJKC: i definitely need some schooling here
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so you don't need aTRM?
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mo
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yllona
Is there some way to add an entire album via iTunes? i'm really conscientious about my tagging...
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DJKC
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yllona: no. albums have to be added via the website only -_-;
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yllona
DJKC: i wouldn't have looked there thanks
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DJKC
I really want some way to submit via just properly tagged files too
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what the clients let you submit are discIDs and TRMs
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and tag your files from the MB data
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but to actually add albums/artists to the DB you have to do it via the website
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mo
it's not liek I have an idea at all :/
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yllona
mo: waht are your ideas. or am i just clueless?
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mo
ideas?
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what?
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I asked a question :p
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DJKC
yllona: disc IDs based off the actual TOC on the disc. they're used for adding times to tracks that don't have any
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yllona
okay... but what if the TOC isn;t recognized.. happens on some early CDs (from the early '80s)
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mo
you add the info manually
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it will still have the disc id
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and tracktimes
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DJKC
yllona: ?
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not sure what you mean by TOC not recognized, if it's a valid audio CD it should have a TOC
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mo
I think means not in freeDB
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DJKC
discIDs and TOCs have nothing to do with freedb
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yllona
DJKC: early CD pressing are quite bogus.. i've had to replace several
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mo
that's not completley true.. but yes
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inhouseuk has some that are 20 years old
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DJKC
mo: from a MB perspective they don't. From a freedb enabled program's perspective then yes, obviously the TOC is used in the look up there too
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yllona: ah, I dont' have any that old
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mo
that's what I meant :9
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yllona
also, a lot of indie pressing are missing ID3 tagging entirely. this happens msotly on self-published stuff
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DJKC
I suspect you just can't submit them then
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?
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mo
can some oen answer my question btw.. because I have noidea wher to start
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DJKC
what does that have to do with the TOC
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mo: I'd suspect Deutsche Philharmonie but I'm not familiar with orchestras at all, and especially not with german ones
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mo
hmm. ok, but its a start. thank you
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yllona
DJKC: everything is missing.. you get "track 01" track 02 etc.
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DJKC
yeah
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yllona
if that much...
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DJKC
that doesn't matter
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all it needs from a toc are the sectors
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the "Full TOC: 1 12 192075 150 4535 21835 43625 61852 79817 101467 109097 117240 135305 154865 170560" there is the info in a discID
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it represents it in a more human readable form before
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yllona
DJKC: that's established at pressing?? (mfg)
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DJKC
but essentially you have first track, last track, number of sectors, starting sector of track one end sector
