we need more vocal ARs. I'm up to 16 other vocal ARs on this album
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gregf
not sure if this is the place to ask about picard but, when i lookup a few of my albums it does not seem to correct the tags on a few songs which i'm assume thats because my tags were right on those ones. The issue is that even though theres no correct to make on those tags i still want picard to rename the files based on the existing tags like it does for the others. Anyway to force this behavior?
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JaXxon_
luks you there?
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JaXxon_
luks: I am at the point of building picard-qt now. I run sudo python setup.py build_ext -i
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luks
yep, i'm here
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luks
why sudo?
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JaXxon_
one min
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JaXxon_
and get an error
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JaXxon_
ofal/ofa.h
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JaXxon_
not found
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luks
you can safely ignore that
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JaXxon_
ok
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JaXxon_
will keep going
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luks
the fingerprinting part is not fully implemented anyway
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JaXxon_
ahh
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luks
you can ignore the gstreamer one too
2006-11-16 32005, 2006
luks
you would need to install libofa and gstreamer
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JaXxon_
i see..
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JaXxon_
but i can ignore
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Kerensky97
gregf: right click on the album and choose force savve to see if that changes if from a check-mark to a bar.
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Kerensky97
*save
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JaXxon_
ok have it running
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JaXxon_
I will now check it out
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JaXxon_
:) Thanks for the help
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luks
but be careful
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luks
it's really not a finished app yet
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gregf
kerensky97: tried that, had the same idea earlier
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JaXxon_
I will only use it on copies of my music :)
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gregf
kerensky97: seems to stay blank, no metadata under the id3 on the bottom tab area, butunder the musicbrianz tab all the data seems to be there if it helps
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JaXxon_
luks: do you use KDE or GNOME? or Other?
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luks
GNOME
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luks
and Windows XP :)
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gregf
theres a smile after that ;)
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gregf
i usually say it with a :( after
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luks
well, i'm happy enough with windows
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luks
but i have a new machine and no free win license
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gregf
yeah
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luks
so i installed linux/gnome on it
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JaXxon_
where is your eclipse installed?
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gregf
kerensky97: yeah when i do force save nothing happens i just double checked
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luks
uhh, dunno
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luks
where did the ubuntu package put it
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JaXxon_
no i mean what machine
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luks
ah, on both
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JaXxon_
win or ubuntu
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JaXxon_
luks: How is the GUI design work done with elcipse and pydev.. no glade or anything like that?
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luks
qt gui is usually done in the qt designer
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Kerensky97
gregf: I'm not sure if it's still not allowing you to save, you might want to just wipe the tags completely on the tracks having problems are then add tags from MB.
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JaXxon_
luks: so the *.ui files are the GUI as output from the designer?
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luks
yep
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luks
then they are compiled to a python code
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gregf
kerensky97: yeah it def tagged the files just not renaming some i'll have to report it as a bug and see what they tell me
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gregf
kerensky97: thanks though
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JaXxon_
luks: how is the GUI "hooked" to the python modules? For instance when i click the "add files to tagger" button, which function in which module is executed?
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luks
JaXxon_: it's based on qt's signal/slot architecture
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luks
in the code you connect signal clicked() from that button to a function
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JaXxon_
I am somewhat farmiliar with signals and slots
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JaXxon_
ok
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luks
gregf: you mean the files are correctly matched, but picard doesn't rename them?
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luks: what plays a bigger role in identifying a track, the known metadata or the content id from musicdns?
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luks
currently the two are completely separated
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luks
you can do either metadata loopups or fingerprint lookups
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JaXxon_
when i choose analyse in picard that is doing a fingerprint?
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luks
yes
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luks
and if the puid matches more than one track, it compares also the metadata
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JaXxon_
Have you ever used foosic?
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JaXxon_
libFooId
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JaXxon_
If no puid match occurs, how is a new puid created? Is this only done by musicdns?
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luks
yes, new puids can be created only by the musicip mixer
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luks
and no, i haven't used foosic
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luks
they call it completely free, but the server isn't more then than musicdns...
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luks
err, *more free
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JaXxon_
So the "encode" is "free" but the search algorithim is not ? on both
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luks
yes
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srotta
I guess the idea is more that foosic's algorithm is public?
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JaXxon_
Is musicbrainz one of the bigger tagger site?
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srotta
And freely usable.
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JaXxon_
Yea i have looked at the foosic algorithm
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luks
srotta: the fingerprinting code is free in both solutions
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JaXxon_
But no where is any discussion about how you would search a collection of bits that represent finger prints
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luks
the only difference is that foosic is under BSD, libofa is GPL
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srotta
luks: Oh, I thought the MusicIP algorithm was closed, sorry.
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JaXxon_
Does anyone know how the music dna (pandora) project works?
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luks
they manually "tag" each song
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JaXxon_
wow that's a lot of work
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luks
yeah
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luks
but it's also pretty accurate
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JaXxon_
yea it is
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luks
far more accurate then fingerprinting or last.fm-like playlists based on users stats
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luks
*than
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JaXxon_
Has there been much discussion about how the fingerprint search occurs?
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russ_
depends how you define "accurate".
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luks
if i pick one song, i want a playlist that will sound similar
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luks
not based on bpm, frequency spectrum or statistics, but on the actual music
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russ_
FWIW, foosic fingerprints have a well-defined difference function
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russ_
like levenshtein distance
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russ_
so searching them is viable using dimensionality-reduction and other such trickery
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srotta
I've tried Pandora a bit, but I'd have to listen too much terrible crap to make it learn I haven't bothered :P
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russ_
so yes, it is a lot more open than PUID or TRM, in that the fingerprint actually represents the music, and isn't just a reference to the actual location in the server.
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luks
russ_: i was talking about ofa fingerprints, not puids
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luks
to use foosic in MB like environment, you would need a server and short IDs anyway
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russ_
true
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russ_
but the MusicIP central server is not open-source either
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JaXxon_
but then the client could create the foosics
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luks
yes, it isn't open source. but at least there is one, and it works
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luks
foosic is a one-man project, afaik
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ruaok wakes up and pokes his head in
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ruaok
moin kids!
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luks
moin
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ruaok
luks: :-)
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ruaok
russ_: did you ever setup the mayhemchaos account?
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ruaok
or just the mayhem account? :-)
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russ_
WRT Pandora: we think that describing music through listening similarities is a lot better in the long term than describing music by an arbitrary number of arbitrary characteristics (Ambiguous vocals, wtf)
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russ_
mayhemchaos is a subscriber, yes
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luks
russ_: the problem is that people listen to crap :)
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russ_
russ_ is now known as Russss
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luks
the tag radios would be cool, but again people don't use them correctly
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Russss
they can be improved by tweaking our algorithms, we aren't anywhere near doing that well.
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luks
it isn't that rare to hear metallica when you listen to a "hip-hop" tag station
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luks
which what makes it unusable :/
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luks
and there is too few genre specific tags
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Russss
we have an algorithm which tries to work out if users tagged stuff maliciously, unfortunately it still sucks
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JaXxon_
Is there nothing that we can tell about the "style" of music from its analog wave form?
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Russss
yes, lots
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JaXxon_
Is anyone working on anything like that Russss
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Russss
yes, we have a whole one-man department working on fun things like that.
