#musicbrainz

[22:23] yllonaCatCat: are you going to try to attend the jazz festival in rejkavik? <-- WTF lol, no i have no means, transportartion or way to leave the cats to go off to iceland XD

[23:01] petrosyllona: I've still to "mature musically" to get really inro classical music. you mean your too immature musically? :P

:p

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pbryanA remastered release of an original release from 1964, with extra tracks. Can I show the 1964 release event? no, use the 1999 date in the release event

ponies :o

assing coverart to an unknown url will get no link. rob (ruaok) has to manually alow it

allow/code/etc

And CatCat has returned. ;)

hi freso!

And I'm off. :)

Bai!

it seems i keep mising ruaok

yes

ill talk him onve he gets there

^__^ hadet!

CatCat: Oh, yes. I wanted to ask you about that. But not now!

Take care!

CatCat: Yes, you could say that. I consider some pieces of music to be more "mature" and "rewarding" than others. Therein Mozart having more substance than Britney Spears. Generally speaking. :)

And I'm not a mozart thetan yet ;)

Gueess I need more musical experience points.

hi warp

if the official (and every) site has a track title one way, and the cover has it another way, which should I use when adding the track ?

I'm beginning to think it is a typo on the cover, but it is hard to argue with a cover you are holding in your hand :)

Official.

I'd say if its Something *everywhere* except the cover, Somewhere is probably artist intent, and not SomethingElse.

*Something

:)

mo, somehow, this made me think of you :D http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/den/493689...

j0, Brian?

lol

Could you please, pretty, pretty please, start using "change comments" (or what it's called) on the wiki? It'd be so much easier to tell the difference between the various revisions at a glance, instead of having to look at diff's. (Esp. when it's a change to one (long) line, where you'll have to carefully expect the entire line to see what was changed!)

Aye. You're not the only one, but you're the one I just noticed not doing it *and* in the channel.

hmmm, puzzling... I normally do leave them, unless it's trivial edits

Even "trivial" edits should have comments. :)

trivial ie: I noticed a typo and fixed it after having already committed a non-trivial

http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/BrianFreud?action=info only has a few comments.

well, yes, I normally don't bother with change notes on my own page

BrianFreudf: Good comment: "Fixed typo from previous edit"

Possibly, s/from/introduced in/

I leave them when it's worth it - personally, I don't find it really needed to leave a note on a typo trivial edit, or when someone's editing his or her own wiki page...

...since trivial pretty == "typo fix" as I see it :P

BrianFreudf! You're a technical expert, I need to ask you a question!

BrianFreudf: It's always worth it. You don't know when that extra second of your time may save ten seconds of someone else's. Even "trivial edits" sometimes have to be looked through, and the easier it is to spot the intention of the edit, the easier it will be to act on it.

BrianFreudf: And this goes for your own page as well. If I wish to see how your "My projects" looked previously, I have to comb through around 60 edits to find the one(s) actually dealing with that part of your page.

BrianFreudf: (E.g., I might want to know when you finished one, or when you added a project to the list.)

point taken, though I note it's rather rare anyone - panda/mudcrow/etc included - leaves a note when updating their own pages

FauxFaux: My understanding is that it runs just after the data comes from MB, after plugins that do direct data modification, but before the data is actually loaded into Picard

BrianFreudf: A fault in others does not excuse the fault in/with oneself. ;)

BrianFreudf: That's what I thought, but.. I seem to recall you having examples of, for instance, filing different types of music in differnt folders? The NAT example on the wiki seems promising (#3, bottom of http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/PicardScripting) seems to disagree, though.

Freso, just commenting that while your point is valid, the community doesn't seem to tend to follow that principle :)

That made no English sense, I'm sorry, I'll type it again if you don't get my ~4 points. =p

BrianFreudf: And as I said, it's not just you. You just happened to have been randomly stumbled onto while I was in such mood as to act upon and you happened to be (active) in the channel.

Well, for an example: I have this line (among others) in my taggerscript: $if($in(%artist%,Frederic Chopin),$set(BrianGenre,Classical))

BrianFreudf: Well, I can only reiterate the "fault" thing. :) And I *do* intend to bring it up in a more "official" manner eventually... with "eventually" being the keyword.

me too, huh?

fresofreso

I add a new tag to every single track. It starts at $set(BrianGenre,Music) , goes through 100 or so filters (to fake genres). That tag then loads in Picard.

Now grooving to: Oingo Boingo ~ Controller (3:26) (from Only a Lad) (1981)

<3 song

Then the naming string handles naming differently based on what the data in that tag is

BrianFreudf: Mmm.

hi guys. Got a question about approving edits: is it ok to approve trivial edits like http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=8456238 ? Or rather just vote yes as I might be mistaken?

for NATs, you could do it in taggerscript, but it's easier in the naming string

I'm thinking an external script is probably going to be easier. :)

CatCat: U2?

nah, it's an easy wrapper: $if($not($eq([non-album tracks],%album%)), [normal naming string here] , [NAT naming string here] )

I've got a complex set of rules (in my head) about the processing of tags -> paths, though. :)

sounds like you perhaps are doing something like I am

Probably simpler, actually, as I'm happy for any non-va cds to go into artists/FIRSTLETTER/ARTIST-SORTNAME/ALBUM-NAME etc.

NAT? If no, (goes through 8 'missing data' checks), else (naming string for soundtracks), else (naming string for classical), ...

what kind of structure are you trying to set up for VA?

Something along the lines of series name/some processed version of the name/disc number/..

Well, I stumbled on to this once accidentally, but it might help you here...

taggerscript runs before the system-bad-character check, but the naming string runs after it. (I once accidentally wrote tracks into :1 instead of :0 with a typo in the naming string.)

petros and Tykling, you're both doing hiphop?

I do one check like you're talking about currently in taggerscript, to shorten a really long series title: $set(album,$replace(%album%,Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart: Complete Works,Complete Works))

I am :)

FauxFaux: What you might do is pick some random unicode character you otherwise never use - something in Klingon plane 1 or something. Do $set(album,$replace(%album%,series name,series name쎋)) , then in your naming string, replace the 쎋 with a / , so picard writes into 'series name/release title'

Tykling: You might want to throw a subscription on http://musicbrainz.org/show/user/?userid=355701 - he has added a few rap releases, but isn't terribly good with using sources, and I'm not really keeping up with all that modern hiphop stuff. (Or modern popular music in general, really.)

right, thanks

You're welcome. :)

Tykling: If nothing else, you'll be able to verify his adds and give them a yes vote, thus helping them through the system! :)

yeah

BrianFreudf: Hax. :)

:)

BrianFreudf: Now that we're speaking wiki (or was speaking), mind if I add siren313 to your list of editors to watch? :p

lol, go for it :)

That list is rather out of date - I stopped bothering with it when we got editor subscription abilities :)

Though I note, for any metal editors around, PhantomOTO is back. He's quite good - someone to keep an eye on for autoeditor. He'd gotten fed up with waiting on votes, but it looks like he got over it. :)

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nobody answered my question about approving trivial edits. If it's just a space to be added I assume it's better to approve and keep the open edits queue low?

with great power comes great responsibility... ;)

if you've verified that it's correct, and it's non-controversial, I would agree with that concept

BrianFreudf: Done. :)

:)

maybe the time spend csup'ing freebsd sources is best spent working through another one of those wikipedia lists

MClemo: Indeed.

ok. I guess I won't approve much in the beginning. Only the stuff I can't think could ever be debatable

MClemo: I also usually apply obvious edits such as Wikipedia, Discogs, etc. URLs.

MClemo: Precisement. :)

Freso: true. Those most often are pretty obvious.

MClemo: Also, if you can verify information yourself (e.g., if you have the release the edit is related to), you should also be able to approve. I usually go by the rule that if I would've added it, I might as well approve it.

Freso: sounds like a reasonable rule

MClemo: And that's probably the core of all the above.

MClemo: 'I assume it's better to approve and keep the open edits queue low?' yes, please. better for voters to have stuff to vote on which actually requires voting :)

MClemo: Thank you. ;)

Yes, I follow that too - as well as in terms of "would I auto-edit add this or would I regular-edit add this?"

not just existing controversy

BrianFreudf: That's what I meant with the above. If I don't auto-edit something, it's not added (for realz) until the edit's been up for voting.

(In my humble and twisted perception.)

yup, my perception must be just as twisted :)

hi guys

hei sheppy

hei mo

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