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?lookup artist alice cooper release love it to death

Alice Cooper || http://musicbrainz.org/artist/4d7928cd-7ed2-428...

Love & Death || http://musicbrainz.org/artist/27796970-8f7a-419...

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MUZZZ!!!!

?lookup release Alice Cooper - Love it to death

Release: Alice Cooper - Love It to Death || http://musicbrainz.org/album/897f7ac0-a4a9-4e6f...

typical

thanks muz

are we supposed to include stuff like ltd in label names?

it iritates me whne peopel remove it

be it people in te database or peopel making the label stuff.. eheheh

the barcode is the same, but the catno is the same as the barcode

and i can't find a release date on it

it says 74 everywhere

grump

and the cover is wrogn for mamazobn

mehhhhsss

but the ltd type stuff is country-specific and not all labels are limited to one country :/

i leave it, if it's a local label, especially if it's a non-unique name

CatCat: the vinyl release was definite 1974, i have the album. i don't have CD tho. 1988 seems reasonable, as CDs went into general release in the mid-1980s in the US

but I'm not bothered if it's 'Polyphone' it's polyphone, i don't care if it's polyphone ab, or polyphone ltd or whatever

which is the essence of what the whole 'use the imprint' thing is

I wonder what swiss labels do

the ltd thing could be in german or french (or italian I guess) and mean exactly the same company I suppose

LEgally speaking, does a label not have one name per territory, each name referring to a child of a parent label?

Given how rights vary from territory to territory and whathaveyou

Muzzz: that's pretty much correct

So you have eg Sony BMG UK ltd, Sony BMG Finland Oy, which are two different businesses but are part of the Sony BMG group

Thus the Ltd and whatnot should be included in the name, as you get releases which are date and territory specific

if we split it like that in mb we'd end up with a hundred almost identically named labels where all the releases for each should be specific to one country (when we already record the country of release)... and like we have for the ones like sony, most the releases are in the wrong place

Muzzz: tho some boutique or vanity labels use the majors as a distributors. not an issue for early alice cooper

Mmm

nikki: the current release system is flawed though, seeing as one child company can be responsiblef or multiple territories, not just one

i can think of several boutique labels dist'd by a major (like UMG, WB, etc)

Muzzz: the whole thing is full of problems :P

I'd like to be able to record the distributor but I can't

nikki: i agree. it's esp important for international releases. Us->Japan and the othe way around -- for example

bbl

there's a label-label relationship which is no good for me because the distributor depends on the country

and the cds don't always agree

the distributor is some sony thing anyway so I won't add it

nikki: yep. i gree

*agree

too much effort to determine which of the hundreds of sony labels it could be

yllona: the issue here was *cataloguenumbers* not dates

CatCat: okay

but, as nikki has mentioned, that catalog numbers are going to vary by distributor

I did?

the cataklogue number *i* have is different than what is in mb

and so will the catalog number.

nikki: typically the distributor assigns the catlog number

*catalog

the original label seems to for the japanese stuff I add

but when they get released outside japan, it all changes

nikki: if the label and distributor can do a pass-thru. it's sifficult to determine with all the subsidiaries

ergo, the music industry sucks

although it depends... one of them was pony canyon in japan and had the same catalogue number in korea apparently

but they didn't change labels, so it would explain it a bit...

but not why all the other releases on the same label have korean catalogue numbers...

so I didn't add those to mb

nikki: here's the truly complex part. let's say i purchase a CD in Paris, but rec'v the same CD as a gift in the US. everything identical. How do i know that the Paris CD if the CD in paris was mfg/distributed for Europe? Or a US export dumped as a remainder, but re-packaged?(both CDs are legit)

lucky for me, the japanese stuff I deal with is much simpler :P

all labels dump remainders in other countries

reaminders == left-overs that didn't sell well in country of origin

no idea, there's no chance of jpop turning up here

if it turns up in taiwan, I'm not there to find out

although the taiwan versions are much cheaper anyway, they wouldn't make anywhere near as much profit by turning them into taiwan versions

nikki: you don't have "cut-outs" in the UK? cut outs have a notch cut into the CD case

never seen anything like that...

but I don't buy music here

a cut-out typically indicates a remainder. the same thing happens for books

they cut bits out of books? o_O

otherwise the artist may have to buy-back the left-overs from the record label or book publisher

it's part of many recording or book contracts

that's why "publishing on demand" (for books) or "pressing on demand" for CDs has become such big business. like this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/seller-account/mm-summ...

and they have a similar porgram for pressing CDs on demand. that way no left-overs

it's called "createspace": http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display....

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one part i forgot to mention: when you get a book or record contract there's anticipated number of copies that will be sold. so if the advance publish/pressing is 10,000 copies, and only 5,000 copies sell. the artist may be responsible for the remaining 5,000 copies (the remainders). that's the gist of it.

the barcode is the same, but the catno is the same as the barcode

for my release

CatCat: that's a good thing

yes but as i don't know the date i cant add the release

CatCat: the CD?

also is it possible for two different catalogue numbers to ahve the same barcode?

CatCat: your CD release rather

yes, what about it?

CatCat: yes. barcodes are a marvelous invention :)

two different releases have the same barcode?

CatCat: your CD, did you purchase it recently, or was it on of your Mother's

becasue no way was this cd from 1988

i got it for a birthday present

early nineties

in 1988 i didn't own any cd's let alone cdplayer

CatCat: i'm thinking remainder from original CD release.

i got this cd afte we moved

and we moved in 1989

you mean remain

yeah, early '90s would seem like a remainder to me. alice cooper probl'y hundreds of thousands (if not millions) pressed of that CD

this doesn't change the fact that *mine* doesn't have the same catalogue number as the one in mb

there is a new release now, its crap and people acting as is if it's a new thing

but it has the same barcode -- which is a good thing. a barcode is an inventory control number, so that CD is considered the same item of inventory as the CD in MB

or it

nevermid, i have to go back to sleep.

laterz

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