#musicbrainz

damn

or just make it easy for nit-pickers to find and correct the cases that can't be computed

hahaha.

LotR: easy... loadRelease WHERE id == rnd()

bah, modbot is angry again

I really should finish the collection merging patch

brianfreud: WHERE title LIKE '%in%' (or In) would do the trick for that word.. I bet the nitpickers can come up with other queries for contested words

oh, I'm sure

there's thousands of titles with 'The' in the middle, let alone ambiguous ones

I'm not aiming for perfection itself. I only think, if I'm mucking about in there anyhow, why not actually clear up an open point of vagueness in the English guideline? Right now, that guideline is vague enough, such fixers wouldn't know which way was correct to "fix" it anyhow.

it's one of those guidelines where the comments and debates are ten times longer than the guideline itself...and most never got resolved or really discussed :P

nikki: so you'd limit it by date after the first pass-through

LotR: I mean there's loads and loads and loads of stuff which has blatantly incorrect capitalisation according to our guidelines, there's plenty to do before people need to start nitpicking

nikki: I wasn't trying to say there should be 'nitpicking' done, I was saying it should be made easier for more people to have machines help them do their editing/voting jobs

if anyone wants to try out two scripts, and give an opinion which they like better, http://brianfreud.info/1.html and http://brianfreud.info/2.html - ignore the css, the persistant "pick a country...", etc... just a very raw demo page for each I tossed together to test each

kinda partial to #1 myself

Err the results on #1 seem to be on crack

I prefer #2 anyway.

#1's using a quicksilver-type selector, #2's just doing a text-narrowing approach

Yeah, I prefer #2 by far.

seems #1 might work better for instrument lists, #2 for country / script / etc

#2 needs to empty the text field on click too

Yeah, agreed.

#1's sorting is nuts

yeah, ignore all that - I just tossed a quick wrapper around a select, nothing else is done on either

nikki: #1's using a context search, quicksilver style

whatever quicksilver is

It's a launcher for OS X.

basically an adaptive search

I think #2 for most form fields, but would you agree something like #1 for instrument list ARs? (ie, find "marimba", even if it's not the first instrument in the select item listing?)

I don't like how #1 shows every single result, making the scrollbar go nuts, the top n for what you've typed would probably make more sense, I like how #2 has them sorted properly, but I like how #1 can find, say, "East Germany" when I type "Germany"

like I say, it's totally uncustomized, using all defaults atm

yeah, that's what I like too about #1

#1, you get Germany and East Germany. #2, you just get Germany.

can you use your js to make the add release event button work inline while you're adding things like that? :P

nikki: yes, it's on my to do list for when acid2 pushes his finished code for me to work with

there will be, or I'll kick up a fuss :P

and muz, yes - that's what acid2 is working on now

Ah, good.

it's one thing I've been meaning to make a user js for though, adding another row of inputs is hardly something that needs to be done with another page load if js is available

but I'm lazy and never got round to it :P

just tossed the AR and instrument list selects on those 2 pages, if you want to try those same with other types of selects

the second page isn't working...

1 sec, just realized the scripts aren't activating on them, fixing real quick :)

ok, both turned on now

hmm... it'd be nice if the first one went away when I clicked on the field again... I'm so used to doing that to cancel it I was like "aaah how do I make it go away" for a minute o_O

#1 definitely works better for ARs

#2 still isn't working

no, it's working, just not working well on those 2 lists :P

all the spaces in the AR list are throwing it off (<option value="515">                Practice chanter</option>)

Such mad hax.

somewhere I have a script which inserts the ones I use with a name I can type

brianfreud: I'm pretty sure it was done like that because IE couldn't do anything else

but we were probably supporting IE4 or something stupid back then :P

I do like that dropdown thing more for instruments than the weird search we have at the moment

does anyone ever actually try to find instruments via the select, or does everyone else also use the context search to find anything in there?

dunno, I rarely use it

yeah. My current sense is, #1 for country, instrument list, #2 for language, script, AR list

ie, things that start with what you'd be looking for anyhow, use #2, but things that context searching really helps, use #1

I'd rather just have a mixture of the two for all of them :P

two totally different plugins

I don't know what options they have though

the real difference in how they select what to show - as I said, one's using an adaptive search, the other's just useing a narrowing-selection

I can't really see a way to combine those two behaviours as one - two totally different concepts

substring searching with sorted results

so it's not the substring searching that's throwing you, but the lack of alphabetization in what it then displays?

yes

I'll have to look into that, that might be doable.

if it is, #1 could then just work for everything.

(and I don't like that it doesn't limit how many it displays at once, like I said ;))

well, let me look into what I can customize in #1 (or modify in the plugin itself)

k :)

hmm, there was a script that will update the database to the next schema version, right? where do I find that?

ok, any customizing, I'll be modifying the plugin itself. For how many to list, it's just showing any that match at all. If I bump it to 80%, it narrows quickly, but not *too* quickly that it eliminates useful listings. Any three characters seems to get me to 5 to 8 items, max, even on the instrument list.

ruaok: http://brianfreud.info/1.html is the select list plugin I'm playing with

LotR: I thought it was just something like upgrash.sh in the top directory of the server code

nikki: yeah, I'm stupid. thanks :)

upgrade.sh even :P

hrm, I get this:

ERROR: duplicate key value violates unique constraint "language_pkey"

apparently you can just keep running the script and it'll eventually work fine

I didn't have a problem though, it's kinda weird

ah, does more the next time you run it, yes. thanks again

hmm, ok, you can set a size for a option list, which controls how many lines are always shown... but can there really be no css option for option elements to control how many rows are shown at any one time without scrolling??

the browser normally decides how many to show at once

hrm. I didn't update my DBDefs.pm correctly I think. now I'm getting this error:

ERROR: duplicate key value violates unique constraint "country_isocode"

yes, though this is actually turning the select+option into <div> <input> </div> <div> <ul> <li>s </ul></div>

nikki, what's a good max number? 10?

well, give it a try, it should be easy enough to change if it's not enough/too many

well, I have it limiting now, on http://brianfreud.info/1.html , but it's not going to do a scrollbar or anything, at the moment

thinking the answer's not actually in limiting how many it shows, but forcing the container div to vertically scroll instead

hehehehe: ireland's worst driver: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ire...

yeah, the limited one feels a lot better to me...

it's not clear that it's only a selection of results though

it works, but I'm not happy with it, cause you can't scroll the list

murdos_ is now known as murdos

this must be really old http://musicbrainz.org/doc/DatabaseSchema/FullSize

Hello

hi Fabe56

Muz: did you ever get chance to play with the locales?

brianfreud: i don't really like either, the firstis nuts, ugly and doesnt work, the second is nice but the two last forms doesnt work

CatCat: how does the first not work?

i don't understadn what to o whena tousnad unrelated things fly aroudn the page when i type "u"

and what are the buttons about?

I'm playing with it at the moment

but for an example, try typing "sax" into the bottom one

seriously, to be honest, the instrument chooser is the one ting i'm happy with, exept that it doesnt do unicode

I broke the unicode, actually :P

yea, i get "sho"

oh, the other one

nothign happens

the country one works

are you on 1.html or 2.html?

ruaok: `svn up cgi-bin/MusicBrainz/Server/Collection.pm` should fix modbot complaining about 'duplicate key violates unique constraint "collection_has_release_join_combined_index"'

ohh,t ahnks.

but thats not the table its complaining about is it?