#musicbrainz

Google Shopper: that looks like something that could pull information from MusicBrainz :) http://www.googlelabs.com/show_details?app_key=...

Hi there

I to stupid to find a FAQ how to submit PUIDs to the database

can someone give me a pointer?

plaisthos, using Picard?

plaisthos, You mean: to assign an existing PUID to a track, or to add a new PUID to MusicIP's database?

I have added a new release to the database, then run picard let it pick the release, it assigned three tracks a puid. The other ones have no PUID.

my question is now how to get the missing puids to the database

I say we raise a ton of money and buy out MusicIP. Open source the whole PUID thing.

release in question is http://musicbrainz.org/release/5575e830-154e-43...

plaisthos, my understanding is that PUIDs probably don't exist for the other songs, and they can't be created without specifically asking the MusicIP guys about it.

so missing PUID is "fine"?

It's not really a huge deal. It makes using Picard a bit less handy for people, but it's not the end of the world.

Leftmost: thanks for your help

No problem.

plaisthos, if you REALLY want to add missing PUIDs, you have to register at MusicIP's site and download 'genpuid' utility which (using your personal key) can create new PUIDs and upload them to MusicIP's database.

Hmm. Does genpuid mesh with Picard at all?

Leftmost, it is a separate tool doing different thing.

Right. I just wasn't sure if Picard was rigged to call it if it found something PUID-less.

I just invoke genpuid with '-r 'switch, then it scans directory for audio files and generates PUIDS for them. If any of PUIDs was not present in MusicIP's database, it is submitted there automatically.

Ahh, fair enough.

Does it submit information from the tag, do you know?

But if you want to use new PUIDs with Picard/MusicBrainz you have to wait ~24h (there is some kind of cache or propagation delay of new PUIDs)

Leftmost, no, it just generates PUID.

Hmm. Alright. I guess I still don't understand the whole PUID thing entirely.

I still say a hostile takeover is in order.

I am not sure about details of informations which are submitted - AFAIK genpuid is closed source.

Yeah, exactly.

Leftmost, http://musicbrainz.org/doc/How_PUIDs_Work is a good start :-)

I've skimmed that, at least...

I wonder what would happen if I started up wireshark and ran genpuid...

Hmm. For http://musicbrainz.org/release/5581f772-3e30-4d... I'm looking at the liner notes and Stevie Nicks isn't given full billing for track 8. She's listed as an additional artist: Stevie Nicks – Harmony on "Insider"

Should the artist be changed back to Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers, then, and a relationship added?

Err, annotation, whatever the hell it is.

Eh, that's my interpretation of it.

liDEL: thanks

[14:24] LeftmostI say we raise a ton of money and buy out MusicIP. Open source the whole PUID thing. <- lol

YES

That's my solution for just about everything, sadly.

I hate the evil empire

"I can't run my games in Linux." "Well, crap. I guess we'll just have to buy Microsoft and open source Windows."

You;d be better off engineering a better algorithm from scratch that's open to start with.

PUIDs are generally rather shitty on several levels, beyond that of a technical nature.

Muz, something tells me that requires a lot more knowledge of acoustics than I have.

Leftmost: you personally don't need to do it. ¬_¬

See, therein lies the problem.

Good luck changing the industry.

Oh wait, unrealistic expectations? You must use OSS.

How about we raise tons of money and pay them to do it?

That, or raise tons of money and send me back to college.

Oh. Picard can't find sonm files bcause of UTF8 character in the directory name - ZZ Top - Dug?ello

What operating system, version of Picard and filesystem are you using?

I'm on OS X Leopard, the files are on and NFS share on Linux. Both the Finder and the shell display the accented characters correctly

Picard 0.11

Munger: naming a directory similarly within Finder on a local HFS+ FS, does the issue still occur?

Qt has had some issues with non-latin characters and network shares in the past...

Yes. I tried that. If I replace the ? with u it's fine, so it's clearly a UTF-8 issue

LEt's se how it writes the new directroy when I tag it

It writes it fine to the same network volume

Munger: ooh, unicode on OS X is fun.

What do you mean? I never had a problem with it

Munger: in general, OS X normalizes unicode file names when writing. (seperating combined characters and such).

ugh that

warp: Qt on OS X is all levels of "fun" too.

This sounds a lot like a Qt bug that I had a few months ago.

Picard still uses Qt 4.5 I imagine.

Then the problem is in Qt

Potentially.

Is there a way to get a full list of album IDs from the server? (running my own...)

There are almost 800,000 release IDs, if you want a complete list the best way is to query the database directly.

Yeah, that was the backup plan.