#musicbrainz

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      • luks
        no textual metadata
      • all FPs in the database have at least one MBID associated with them
      • hawke__
        coo’
      • luks
        (that requirement will probably go away, because many people don't like that)
      • hawke__
        Hmm.
      • What’s the use of it without the MBID?
      • luks
        it's mostly for private mapping
      • nikki
        aww damn
      • stupid qt
      • luks
        e.g. somebody has a small catalog of music and want to check some audio they downloaded, so they can use acoustid without having the songs in MB
      • nikki
        I always forget that my mounted stuff is hidden in those tree thingies :/
      • Tecfan
        luks, check what?
      • luks
        Tecfan: if it's one of the songs from their catalog
      • Tecfan
        so it's not the same as what last.fm's fingerprint command line tool thingie does?
      • luks
        I'm not sure what it does
      • Tecfan
        takes a music file from your collection
      • compares fingerprints against last.fm database
      • and returns the meta data for the songs it matches
      • luks
        no, this is just the submission tool
      • Tecfan
        great for tracks you don't have any tags for.. or when you want to bust people who post other people's music under their own name
      • luks
        there are a few command-line applications like that
      • Tecfan
      • check my comment : D
      • luks
        but it's just sample code on how to use the service
      • not expected to be used by end users
      • Tecfan
        long story short: a friend of mine posted other people's music under his name and was damn serious about it.... i busted him with the fingerprinting thing
      • and then he would never speak to me again lol
      • luks
        of course that is the goal of the project, to identify music :)
      • nikki
        luks: anyway, this acoustid thingy has the same problem as picard on macs - http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/ticket/5308 :/
      • Tecfan
        i would love an application that would find all my untagged music with a tool like that and tag it automatically from MB
      • luks
        Tecfan: picard? :)
      • Tecfan
        using PUID's?
      • luks
        nikki: yeah, that's expected :(
      • Tecfan: yes
      • Tecfan
        well that requires two programs ;>
      • luks
        what is the other one?
      • Tecfan
        picard can't fingerprint the songs
      • luks
        of course it can
      • Tecfan
        it couldn't earlier today ;>
      • luks
        oh, was MusicDNS down again?
      • Tecfan
        i don't know
      • maybe i am misunderstanding something
      • <hawke__> but it doesn’t actually create the PUIDs.
      • luks
        you need a separate program to submit new fingerprints to the database
      • not to lookup a file
      • Tecfan
        ok :>
      • but still
      • would be nice to have that in one program
      • what's the use of it when they make it hard to upload
      • i could submit thousands of PUID's but i won't bother because i have to .. download yet another program :>
      • luks
        I think MusicDNS was always just a side-product
      • but yeah, the PUID situation is the reason why I started working on this
      • Tecfan
        any way i can help?
      • luks
        submit fingerprints :)
      • Tecfan
        are there any requirements for id3 tags to be correct?
      • luks
        all the files have to be tagged in a MusicBrainz-enabled application
      • Tecfan
        so they must have MBID?
      • luks
        yes, they need to have embedded MBIDs
      • Tecfan
        does your program find these files by itself or do I have to point them out?
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      • luks
        you have to point it to a folder and it will find the ones that it can submit
      • Tecfan
        works on w7 64-bit? :> i'll let it run over the night
      • nikki
        hmm... changing m_directoryModel->setRootPath(""); didn't do exactly what I expected, but it added what I wanted to the tree at least
      • luks
        not sure, but nobody complained about that (and most submissions come from windows users), so I expect it does
      • Tecfan
      • luks
        yes
      • Tecfan
        do you have an exceutable?
      • luks
      • Tecfan
        somehow i thought Chromaprint was the program'
      • luks
        that's a library implementing the fingerprinting algorithm
      • Tecfan
        wow
      • it look's exactly the same as the last.fm standalone fingerprinter
      • CatCat
        hawke_: it means that nay releases under "tropicála" or whatever will be put under VA, where they will fester in invisibility
      • Tecfan
        what
      • CatCat
        they instead should be fixed per release, per track
      • Tecfan
        luks: it says fingerprinting.. x of y
      • where y is insanely much higher than actual songs with MBID's
      • CatCat
        also new2 releases added (erroneously) will be auto put on VA
      • luks
        Tecfan: y is just how many songs are there
      • nikki
        Tecfan: I imagine it doesn't know which don't have mbids yet
      • luks
        Tecfan: it will go though them and skip the oes that don't have MBIDs
      • Tecfan
        ok
      • i see some goes fast and some goes slow
      • luks
        yeah
      • Tecfan
        but getting total amount of tracks wasn't expected ^^
      • hahah
      • i enjoy seeing how many of my artists beginning with A have MBID's
      • and it will just get fewer and fewer and fewer..
      • *sigh* all those unfinished projects
      • every time i get an idea that i want to sort my music folder or anything like that, it fails on letters B or C
      • luks
        heh
      • nikki picks letters randomly
      • Tecfan
        because i over-perfectionate it (is that a word)?
      • nikki
        probably not, but inventing words is fun :P
      • Tecfan
        hehe
      • warp
        Tecfan: I just moved everything from /mnt/music into '/mnt/music/unsorted'.
      • Tecfan
        lol
      • warp
        Tecfan: I am not allowed to play anything from that dir unless I properly tag it first (and move it to /mnt/music/tagged afterward).
      • Tecfan
        ok, that might actually work
      • warp
        it's a bit of a slow start but you'll have the most important albums sorted in a week or two.
      • Tecfan
        i ended up throwing every folder in one big folder
      • and just let my music player sort it
      • if id3 tags are missing i add them whenever i see one playing misses
      • and that usually includes renaming with picard and making folder structure for that particular artist
      • but as long as my scrobbles are correct i don't care anymore
      • heck, i've even started deleting music
      • reosarevok
        :O
      • Tecfan
        2nd june 2008
      • the day i started deleting music
      • Tecfan keeps stats
      • nikki
        warp: that depends how much self-discipline you have :P
      • CatCat
        natta
      • Tecfan
        holy shit!
      • i've deleted over 60 days worth of music
      • luks
        I have a similar rule, I'm not allowed to play untagged songs in Quod Libet, but can use another player :)
      • warp
        nikki: well, even if you don't strictly stick to the rule... it still is a nice clear seperation between those albums which have MBIDs and those which may not have MBIDs.
      • reosarevok just has a "to order" folder where he drops all new downloads, and then Picard conveniently moves them to "music"
      • reosarevok
        But as I use Cog for all now
      • warp doesn't allow picard to move anything.
      • I don't really scrobble anymore and I don't look
      • Why?
      • warp doesn't agree with picard's notion of moving
      • Why?
      • nikki
        I have my music split between tagged and untagged, but I have lots of rips from before max included mbids :/
      • ruaok
        wow, we're a picky bunch
      • Tecfan
        lol
      • warp
        reosarevok: it moves files, not directories.
      • Tecfan
        ouch
      • nikki
        ruaok: of course. what would mb be without people obsessed with their metadata? :P
      • ruaok nods
      • reosarevok
        warp: so?
      • (well, my "to order" is just folders dropped as they came from the .rars, so maybe if yours is not, I understand)
      • warp
        reosarevok: so it may move files into an existing directory if I happen to have an album twice. it will also probably not move all files it should be moving.
      • Tecfan
        .rars :(
      • luks
        (you can tell it to move all files along with the music)
      • warp
        oh and I have some fairly strange rules in my head about where stuff should go :)
      • Tecfan used to have.. but wow.. my folder system became veery complex as i started to listen to weirder and weirder music
      • Tecfan
        my folder system was based on genres
      • and sub-genres
      • and sub-sub-genres..
      • and sub sub sub sub
      • didn't work out all too well
      • reosarevok
        experimental prog-blues metal
      • warp uses genres too
      • warp
        but that's mostly flat.
      • Tecfan
        witch house, chillwave, chill witch, ghost step, midicore, midigrind, nintendogrind, cybergrind, nintendocore, mathcore, frenchcore, filthstep, math pop, post rock, math rock, acid jazz, nu jazz, drone, soundscape, don't get me started... it was hell on earth
      • you'll be amazed how many sub-genres of progressive rock there are
      • ruaok
        fewer sub genres than from house music. :)
      • reosarevok
        People are craaaazy