#musicbrainz

yeah, most of my Guatemalan friends just use one when dealing with English speakers. I think they're tired of explaining the whole thing.

Yeah

I have only one in my Facebook account, for example (have lots of non-Spanish friends)

My brother, though, who has mostly Spanish friends, uses both

back later, cheers for the help :)

caller_6: the problem is that for example you can have "José Manuel Fernández López", where "José Manuel" is the name and "Fernández" and "López" surnames (and which sorts as "Fernández López, José Manuel")

So people who know little Spanish will get confused regardless

:D

reosarevok: I was just going to ask... how do you know where the surnames begin?

Is it obvious to a native Spanish speaker?

Normally, it is

Our names and surnames are usually different

(equally as it would be weird to have someone called Smith John instead of John Smith)

There are some that can be both… but not a lot

Well, in English, there /are/ names that could work either way equally well.

So it is *usually* obvious

But sometimes I've had to guess

:(

So I might add (in a re-write of SortNameStyle) a suggestion that it's best to ping a native Spanish-speaker if in doubt.

Yeah

Probably

In an ideal world, there would be an option to subscribe to all "Add Artist" edits where the artist country is Spain or a Spanish speaking country (now that we're getting that field in NGS)

But for now, that's probably the best option

reosarevok: thanks. That should be enough info to keep me busy for a while.

In case there are any other digital hardcore fans around, new ATR!!: http://soundcloud.com/alec_empire/atari-teenage...

And also… it says "Release date: Apr 4, 2011" (which I guess is the release date for the album). I should add it as this month anyway, yes? (it seems to have gone public close to midnight CET)

hm hm hm

can I see somehow in picard if a track is a good match because of meta-tags like album, artist and so on OR if a track is a good match because of audio-fingerprint?

because if its audio-fingerprint i can trust it more or less regardless if other meta-data is wrong

i just had some tracks which were totally wronged named completely in all tags

but fingerprint matched and it could be assigned correctly

but anyway it was only shown as orange/red

jonsen: iirc fingerprinting will _only_ match if it's a 100% match

100% match of what?

of audio content, yes.

but i want to see relatively fast if i can accept an assignement to an album because of a fingerprint

or if its "just" meta-data which matches

i had fingerprinting matches it seems that werent displayed in green

the color only depends on the difference in the old and new tags

it has nothing to do with the fingerprint

Isn't it easier to just do scan but no lookup? That way the ones that matched would be all fingerprint matches, yep?

so color *is* only meta-data?

the fingerprint either matches or doesn't. in color: either green or nothing

then i am really confused

because it was sorted to an album but hadnt any matching tags

but it were right, but not displayed in green

The color only depends on metadata. If you find it with fingerprinting scan, but the metadata is "Track 01" "Unknown Artist", the color will likely be orange (if track length / number matches) or red

But it will still (very likely) be correct

oh ok that explains it

and only scan results in green?

Green means "metadata matches"

So if you have a well tagged file

and what shows me that fingerprint matches?

The fact that you make a scan and it finds the track

"Lookup" doesn't check fingerprints, AFAIK, just tags

While "Scan" doesn't check tags, just fingerprints

hm

(someone correct me if I'm wrong)

ok so it checks fingerprint and switchs to right side

That's it

shows not rectangle but track name

ok fine, that was quite important to know :-)

thanks

But remember that even if you scan one track

documentation of picard could be a bit more comprehenasive

Its whole album will appear

(on the right)

but anywy good software

ok

Just reminding you because you would still have to scan the rest of the tracks in the album so they got assigned

It won't do it without being told ;)

jonsen: it's a wiki, go ahead and edit it :)

(if I want to use fingerprints, I just select all tracks and press Scan and see what happens, usually)

problem is (maybe as usual) that you have tracks which can be scanned and some which can only be lookuped

but somehow they have relationship to eachother

Yeah

But at least after the scans

Mineo, good point

reosarevok, thats what i have done :-)

You should have an idea of what the hell those tracks are (even if the album is not fully assigned)

jonsen: someone has to fingerprint all the files to begin with, otherwise scanning will not work

And PUID fingerprinting has been dead for a while, is it back now?

(not scanning, but actually creating the fingerprints)

reosarevok, yes would be of advantage, but if tags totally fsck'ed up its quite difficult to get any efficiency in if you have more than 10k tracks

jonsen: tell me about it, I've had to try to sort the contents of an iPod

jonsen: file names being ESD4 and things like that and tags being crappy

yeah

thats exactly the problem

i believe there were like 1000 albums and 1000 tracks

now i have 10000 albums which only 1 track each :)

-> i believe there were like 1.000 albums and 10.000 tracks

-> now i have 10.000 albums which only 1 track each :)

even with picard

Pfft, without a program like Picard that would be impossible to sort. With it… it's just hellish :D

(but possible… if you have time to dedicate to it)

i thought about buying jaikoz, but somehow i became the fealing that it wouldnt help me either

nut much more than picard

and automatism can even get it done worse

and the trouble will increase

fyi, dont buy tuneup

it has nice look and integrates in iTunes

but thats about it

album art has fucked up

since 2 weeks now

and doesnt work with iTunes > 10.1

and something like that costs money

pfff

picard ftw

one last thing

as soon as i start scanning and it finishes

if it doesnt appear on the right side automagically its not found, correct?

i am just scanning and the albums are appearing on right side

Yeah, I think that's it

strangely enough that the scanned tracks don't appear directly on album tracks name but on a sub-folder of the album in "unmatched files"

Hmmm

Did you press "scan" or "cluster"?

only scan

That sounds like what "cluster" does…

i added folder, scanned and now this is happening

cluster clusters on left side i thought

Oh, ok

It is on the right side

yeah

and there under album "unmatched files" folder

so it could get the relation via scan to an album

What's your version and OS? I didn't get that in 0.12 on OSX 10.6, but I don't know if it works equally in all versions

but not to a track?

OS is OSX 10.6

Weird

Picard is 0.12.1

It scanned to tracks everytime I tried it :/

yeah this doesn't sound like making a lot of sense

i mean fingerprint is fingerprint of track not of an album name in track

so could it get relation to album but not to the track inside...

strange

oh i think i understand now

lets take that one

Artist: Trip

Title: Energy

is sorted to that Album:

Artist: A Tribe Called Quest