#musicbrainz

we did migrate copying over the modpending column though. we probably should have just used zero

huh, an NGS subscription email

I guess that went well, then ;)

hi kepstin!

we're planning to switch completely in about 6 hours

but you can already edit on http://ngs.musicbrainz.org/

kepstin: does it point to ngs.mb in the email

?

\om/

ocharles: it does

cool

nikki: sorry I was bbq but didn’t have time to tell here

thanks for the aliases, it’s ok if we can create without locale

that answers my interrogations on this topic

no problem

i’d like to input a release, maybe i’ll try to create the RG first now..

nikki: with works aliases, there is theorically no need for pseudo releases.

works don't store version information though :/

ah yes

there's a ticket in jira for recording/release aliases somewhere

nikki: but anyway such things are very difficult i think... there are lots of things that are hidden in ngs, i feel quite olst by all the implications, all the links in all the directions that are hidden behind an album entry

and the work that it induces

all the links in all the directions?

treating correctly all the works for only one artist is going to take quite a while already

nikki: "all the links in all the directions?" yes a release has n tracklists which has n releases, which has n artists ertiouerptierupotiuzep (._.?)

when you edit a release you FEEL the complexity now

it’s like we went from release1.txt files to an access database or somehting advanced like that

"Were you expecting to find a vote button here? Silly you!" ._.

intgr: ouatzeufeuke ?

jesus2099: asurhsirke

hé ?

Yes that's right.

jesus2099: it's not like everything was obvious on the old mbz, we were just used to it

and considering that NGS *is* more complex, it's hard to keep it as simple regardless

Seems like massive overengineering to me, but hey what do I know. :)

intgr: oh I read the backlog, yes I also have difficulties in seeing if an edit is open closed novoted yesvoted etc.

Wizzcat: I agree

it would be nice that the “Open edits” link would show the number of edits (like http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/42102 )

(totally unrelated)

it does, at the top, but i can only guess when there are more than 500

counting the amount of open edits takes too long otherwise

(and yes I know that means it's going to just about always say 500)

:P

it could display “49 open edits” or “More than 500 open edits” according to the situation (on the entity page), is that taking too much time too ?

"499 open edits" -> "There are more than 500 open edits! Vote, vote, vote!!!!"

haha

I like that

(of course, it will be a lie if there are *exactly* 500, but that can be our little secret)

jesus2099_: that's what it's meant to do

i've been voting like crazy..sigh

ocharles: It’s currently like this on the first edit search page but I meant to have this on the “Open edits” link directly on entity page

If I click on the >> button, it goes to page 20 and says 975 with 39 pages.

ticket plz

ocharles: me ?

jesus2099: oh, I see. you can stick /open_edits to the address and see only open edits :)

What if I submit a ticket with a patch? What will you do then?

Leftmost: hunt you down. and hug you.

jesus2099: you should submit a bug report about the missing 'open edits' link

huh? there already is an open edits link

nikki: I don't think it's on all entities

could be wrong

I'm sure I checked that while doing the sidebar stuff

ocharles: it’s not missing, it doesn’t show the edit-count

oh, I see

then you should submit a ticket for that

oh

where did I put that screenshot...

ocharles: but only if it’s feasible (not too cpu hungry or who know what)

I'm not sure it'd look very good in the sidebar with the number

jesus2099: that's for us to decide, users should submit things however they want and not worry about that :)

ocharles: ok :)

but the other day I came up with http://lmfao.org.uk/pendingedits.png (ignore the fact it's nearly all german :P)... if we had something like that (instead of the strange highlighting we have now :P), it would seem like an ok place to display the number

how very discogs :P

:P

I don't even use discogs

seems like a nice idea though!

nikki: http://www.discogs.com/Break-Commercial-Suicide... see top right. yours is prettier :P

ah, yeah

and it has a link, so that people can just click it and vote ;)

yay easy votes!

it should probably have a "Please vote" or something in there too

yeah, that was just the first text that came to mind

some people might just see it and shrug

at the time I was actually wondering how to convince people to cancel pending edits

so the first step was making it more obvious that there are pending edits

(people seemed oblivious to the highlighting in mason at least)

ocharles: Can you confirm/deny what I stated in this edit?: http://ngs.musicbrainz.org/edit/14464095 (I did not check "Update artist credits to use the new artists name").

luks: is Picard 0.14 able to submit PUID to NGS ?

jesus2099: It wouldn't for me.

jacobbrett: not for relationships, they don't have artist credits

the rest should be true

yea, all the relationships will change

jacobbrett: ach, thanks.

jesus2099, jacobbrett: neither of you have actually tried submitting puids to ngs yet

because picard hardcodes http://musicbrainz.org into submission

ocharles: picard will only submit to musicbrainz.org apparently

ocharles: YES I DID MANY TIMES

Ah.

oh right

jesus2099: no, you're submitting them to http://musicbrainz.org, not http://ngs.musicbrainz.org like you think you are

I even edited my hosts file etc. that made the PUID lookup work but not the subimssion (picard 13)

bleh

jesus2099: that doesn't make a difference, the proxy doesn't realise you're trying to submit somewhere else so it still routes to musicbrainz.org

anyway, back in 15

ocharles: I'd say they *did* try submitting to ngs, but picard went "pfft! what do *you* know! I'm using musicbrainz.org whether you like it or not!"

nikki: I *am* justly merging, now that artists can be credited differently for releases?

I wonder why is jesus2099 so interested in PUIDs...

luks: he uses them a lot, afaik. I don't think he has some evil involvement with musicip ;)

well, he doesn't even save MBIDs in his files

jacobbrett: imo, yes

so I don't think that's the case

Good, just checking I'm using all the new stuff correctly. ;)

luks: because

ocharles still away ?

no, i'm back now

I tried to submit puid to ngs but i got an authentification probel m now

can you see my requests ?

you need to update whatever you're using to submit the puids

because the authentication stuff changed

I use picard 13

book case!

ocharles: no wheels this time?

reosarevok: i wish there were, damn thing weighed a ton to lug up the stairs

Well, wheels are not the best for stairs anyway…

big ones are!

nikki: update the program i use for puid... hm... are you thinking of picard 14 or somehting that doesn’t exist yet ?

if the wheel is as deep as the tread of the stairs, it can be pushed in a straight line :)

how did you get picard to submit them to ngs?

I forwarded all requests to ngs.mb

jesus2099: I told you that picard can't submit PUIDs to NGS

with fiddler code

luks: i understood it was just a problem of picard couldn’t change servername

just that... but it seems the authentification part is also different now

yep

but actually, I thought Picard used Qt for HTTP, so it would still work

it asked me to type my login/pwd and i did but then it was nG

I really have to wonder, why are PUIDs so important to you even though you don't use them?

(if I remember correctly, you use foo_musicbrainz for tagging)