#musicbrainz

Hmm, can I still access the old server anywhere?

Thanks

(but it's read-only)

or the user interface letting users do the wrong thing

valeriopaolini: that is it.

Yeah

valeriopaolini: it's not wrong though

valeriopaolini: yes, so, we need to make changes to 1) discourage or prevent users from making these mistakes. 2) have a report so other users can find and fix these mistakes when users DO make them.

I may have a cd that's by "Various" or "Musicians of the world", which is just another way of saying "Various Artists"

ocharles: obviously in most (all) cases of this in our database right now it IS wrong.

ocharles: that it should be possible because in theory it doesn't have to be used for evil does not invalidate valeriopaolini's complaint.

:)

so, what is the right fix for this, so we can open a ticket for it?

i can see the complaint, i'm just saying that it can't be "fixed", only discouraged

ruaok: what warp said, which is 2 things

i can handle the report easily

would you please go open a ticket for this?

two tickets then

one possible check could be: see if there is an artist with that name

ocharles: you make the report ticket, I'll make the other one.

fair nuff.

valeriopaolini: thanks, good suggestion.

I'm worried because i have the feeling that those artist_credits are being unlinked from their real artist

Isn’t it a general problem, not something specific to VA?

on friday, there was Sting & the Police linking to V.A.

this is not an intentional edit, imho, sounds more like a problem somewhere (including pbkac :))

hawke__: yes, there's not much stopping you linking "The Beatles" to point to "Pink Floyd"

Right, exactly.

well, except from editor review, the same as anything else ;)

kepstin: yeah, but if you can justify it, it would stay I assume.

of course.

ruaok: which milestone should I schedule this in?

once we solve the AI problem, then musicbrainz will be able to tell if your being correct or not itself. Until then, we have people vote on edits :)

warp: NGS +1 for now.

(or whatever that was)

valeriopaolini, ruaok: http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-2256

thx!

…If a recording has two songs in it, it should be linked to two works, right?

thanks

hawke__, yes, unless it's a fancy medley - in which case you might want to make a new work for it

but, in general, that's correct.

kepstin: Well, right. There’s the medley relation for that.

hawke__, well, actually, there's two different medley relations to choose between for that ;)

kepstin: There are? I only see “is a medley of”

there's a work-recording AR, and a work-work AR, iirc.

hmm. release pages for releases that have a lot of track ars are much less impressive on NGS than classic :/

for now :P

so impatient :P

I have another interesting case, can you help me understand what's going on?

sure

there is an artist_credit whose name is [unknown] but in artist_credit_name it links to Marilyn Manson

select * from artist_credit_name where name=723903;

what is the purpose of this scenario?

either someone got really confused while using the editor, or there's a track credited to marilyn manson which we know isn't by marilyn manson I guess

interesting, let me dive into that recording :)

97f1120d-85ec-4e45-8e68-b9b753475a6f

I can't find it!

nikki: If I wanted to request additional work types, what would I have to do?

oops i did it again :) it's there

hawke__: not sure... probably an rfc style list

valeriopaolini: Looks like they used that to say that they’re not sure whether it goes to “Marilyn Manson” or “Marilyn Manson & the Spooky Kids”

(or maybe someone else?)

nikki: ouch, quit it.

hah

ruaok: the style list the right way to go about getting more work types?

+is

nikki: very good question.

I guess we need to come up with a plan for how to handle it.

it's obvious that I must study a little more :)

the default is just to place that in the the hands of the style council.

that's weird, the medium header is shown twice on http://musicbrainz.org/release/7c9d05d6-8645-4f...

valeriopaolini: That’s just an educated guess.

In particular, I’m thinking we could use work types: waltz, polka, jig, march

fox trot

Those look suspiciously like genres

navap: er…I can’t think of any way in which those look like genres.

no more so than the existing aria or ballet

(or any of the others)

kepstin: http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-2161

Well by genre what I really mean is they look subjective. How does a user know which works should be classified as a march or a jig?

wow. just under 9mbit of traffic now.

Hm, I hadn't seen the existing list of work types

navap: I’m note entirely sure how one goes about classifying them.

Partly based on time signature I think

s/note/not. :-D

:D

New ATR has been in streaming for days and I just found out?!?!?

Better late, but still…

There’s a typo in the description for the recording→work relation for “is a medley of”: “orignial” should be “original” obviously.

hawke__: yeah

山I really should fix the japanese input on my desktop so it works in more programs than just my irc client

works on my laptop :/

nikki: Thanks.

Oops! http://forums.musicbrainz.org/register.php

Being asked to log in before creating an account isn't good net etiquette :p