#musicbrainz

Is Vacuum cleaner a real musical instrument? :P

I know we have some stuff that uses it, heh

xplt: Sure, why not?

I mean, I guess “musical” could be in question

hawke_: :D

I don't suppose anyone has suggestions for finding promo release dates.

Canadian release.

what sort of promo?

(some, I'd say, don't even have more than a year-of-release, e.g. label-produced "best of last year" type promotional compilations)

(or it could be something put out with e.g. a magazine, in which case look for the magazine's printed date

)

etc.

It's a promo copy of an album. http://musicbrainz.org/release/8132a01a-660f-48...

I have Disc In Hand, but no date on the sleeve.

why is it a separate release at all?

i.e.: why not just tag it as the official release

(asking honestly, not making a suggestion -- I'm not sure how this is different)

It's explicitly a promotional copy. It's a cardboard sleeve, rather than whatever the official was in, and says "Promotional Copy" on the back.

hm, okay

makes sense as a separate release then; I might still just say put the same date as the official one though

unless it was a promotion associated with a specific event or publication

Alright.

yeah

I'd say put the date of whatever thing it's promotional in relation to -- so if it was handed out at an event or with a magazine, that; otherwise, it was probably just alongside the main release, which says same date to me

(condensing my previous thoughts)

also, please add an annotation explaining why this is a separate release, so future editors don't wonder as I did why it's separated :P

Yeesh, what do you want from me? Good data? :P

Hmm, the work "Alice in My Fantasies" appears to have two ISWCs. I think this may be because one of the composers had his mother's name appear, due to contractual reasons. His mother's name appears under one ISWC and his own under another. How can I add both to one work? "ISWC / ISWC"?

You can lookup here: http://iswcnet.cisac.org/iswcnet/confirmLogin.do

I dunno that we have a way to deal with multiple ISWCs

right now the only thing we can do is pick one, then put the others in the work annotation

Would you think using a slash wouldn't be too harmful?

please add a tag, "multiple iswcs" iirc

jacobbrett: the database will reject the edit, it only allows properly formated single iswcs

Ah, I'll do what you suggested, then. Thanks.

the correct tag is "multiple iswc"

http://musicbrainz.org/tag/multiple%20iswc/work :/

Yeah, just saw that ;)

we need to stop implementing things based on any assumption that other databases have reasonable things like only one identifier for a given thing

the current schema even has a thing were we assume incorrectly that /we/ only have one identifier for a given thing :)

hah

true

Hmm, actually, do you think it's possible the earlier, instrumental arrangement was assigned a different ISWC? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_on_the_Ve...

be more consistent to do that than have a primary mbid and redirect mbids like the musicbrainz db.

And do we consider such things to be separate works?

jacobbrett: sometimes?

yes you should

(and I hate GUI apps :P)

(well, non-ncurses/urwid/console GUIs)

well, I don't have a gui... yet ;)

Ooh, will Riker have command-line options once it's finished?

jacobbrett: I don't know

you could just make it an ncurses app, I'd approve ;)

(I say 'just' like that's an easy task)

http://musicbrainz.org/release/6517577a-38db-4c... - 'HHH by Triple H' ;)

of course, on twitter they're talking about some sort of wrestling thing.

haha

it is a recent release, it could totally be the album, right? ;)

I was confused for a bit there, had to actually click the trending link to see what was up :)

but yeah, I'm not really that sure about how much work I'm going to put into an alternate UI for riker

yeah, I'm mostly kidding

my plan is to put all of the database code into a shared library, and build the player on that

if the program is well-made I won't really care that much about the interface

but I probably will only build one player, and it's most likely going to be a gtk+3 gui.

while I prefer ncurses, as some do, it's mostly because I tend to prefer the UI in ncurses apps :)

the UI design for this is going to be /really/ tricky.

because I want to present the links between everything in a usable manner

yeah

I keep almost trying to implement some sort of cool network-graph-visualization thing on the MB site using arbor.js but I come against that problem

at least I know what one feature I want is going to look like: you'll be able to make 'dynamic playlists' using a query syntax like the musicbrainz.org advanced search. :)

(ref: http://arborjs.org/)

haha

you planning to integrate some sort of search library? that would be the quickest way to process that sort of syntax

(probably)

I was gonna see how much I could do with sqlite's integrated full-text search, but I might end up needing something fancier.

kepstin-laptop: Do you have a feature wishlist?

jacobbrett: not really. I should make one... hmm.

isn't riker on github?

use their issues system, perhaps

yeah, that could work

I think it'd be cool if Riker detected all of your MB-tagged music and downloaded all relevant info into a local DB (all of the relationships etc.)--could make some pretty rich smart-playlists.

jacobbrett: that's exactly what it's going to do.

I think that's the plan

(in fact, I might not even support music that's not MB-tagged ;)

heh, that's Riker's core selling point, pretty sure :P

Ah, great..I recall talking about something like that to someone on IRCa while ago.

was probably me.

Yeah

but yeah, if you have some ideas for things in your "ideal musicbrainz player", add an issue on https://github.com/kepstin/riker/issues

I talk a bit about my current plans at https://plus.google.com/101837717951653302230/p...

ianmcorvidae: well, duh :)

I presume gapless and ReplayGain are planned?

ooh, replaygain

good call

replaygain for sure.

Well, +1 for gapless

yup

I'm going to add replaygain too, even though it's planned

makes it clear what's planned :)

gapless would be nice, but might not make the initial release since I'll want to keep the playback engine simple.

ianmcorvidae: fine by me.

hm, possibly type/query-based configurable displays

to deal with "I want to see the composer for classical"

well, I just want to always see the composer.

the 'now playing' screen will display a selection of credits.

well, that possibly solves it

I was meaning for when I'm perusing a list of songs

e.g. looking through a library in a list-style display

hmm. so that would be like configurable columns in a listview

yeah, that would be a way to solve it

kepstin-laptop: Perhaps a space to submit UI designs would be a good idea?

I was more thinking "if it's tagged 'classical' by me show composer and performer, otherwise show the AC" or something

hmm. doesn't look like you can attach images to the github issues, eh

if you host mockups externally, you could link to them.

or put them on imgur or something :P