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modified to redirect to https, but yeah

ianmcorvidae: Is that userscript published anywhere?

the redirect to beta one?

it's super short

it might be on nikki's site somewhere still

all mine has is the include/exclude stuff and:

document.location = document.location.href.replace(/https?:\/\/musi..., "https://beta.musicbrainz.org");

@include on http://musicbrainz.org/*

I have it exclude /release/add* (for other userscripts, mostly) and /ws/* (for testing things)

for redirecting plain beta.mb to https beta.mb I have:

document.location = document.location.href.replace(/http:\/\/beta.m..., "https://beta.musicbrainz.org");

v6lur: Meh, I hate Estonian translations.

aww, sad to hear (i blame the nineties...)

intgr_, why, you don't like to have your computer full of fails?

(fine, fine, it's failid, sue me)

i'm almost certain that had you used a good local translation of OS, office software, etc., then right now you'd feel the same about software in english :P

reosarevok: lol

(i meant, used them *from the very beginning*)

Not necessarily, but at least you probably wouldn't mind it

I grow up with stuff in Spanish, and I still prefer English but I can certainly live with Spanish if the translation's good

the most annoying thing about localized software is that never get good results when you google for the error messages.

heh

maybe I won't work to translate errors on MB then ;)

(they don't translate at present)

ianmcorvidae: good idea :)

The problem is that there's no common and consistent terminology, every translator uses random words that just seem to fit or that Google translator comes up with.

"Toimetused tellitud olemitel"... , yeah, that would make no sense to me if I hadn't seen the English version first.

intgr: ah, that hasn't been my experience with dutch software. but the dutch software I'm familiar with has mostly been from microsoft, which is obviously internally consistent.

warp: obviously isn't the word I'd use

But yeah

:)

Imagine if doctors everywhere tried to translate every term into their local language... No, they just picked a standard language (Latin) and stuck with it. English is the standard language of computing.

Of computing, yes

Not of music, though :)

(also, doctors do translate most stuff in Spain)

intgr: that would be an argument for computer scientists to predominantly use english. not for regular computer users to also be forced to use english.

Perhaps

What's the estonian term for "various artists" for example?

I'd assume erinevad esitajad?

That's what I've seen used online

Alright

Another problem I see is that translating everything has the effect of fragmenting users into language-based communities rather than forming a single coherent community. It actually reenforces the language barrier.

When it comes to communities, that is.

It also allows non-English speakers to collaborate though

With a piece of software, yes, but not in a community.

Unless we get translation of edit comments etc :)

intgr: currently my impression is that all japanese releases are entered by the english speaking anime/manga and jrpg communities.

intgr: it would be better to also get some actual japanese users involved in adding their stuff

Well, I just think people shouldn't automatically expect all notes to be in English

same with other cultures where speaking english is not as common as in america and europe.

warp: I know of maybe 2 native japanese speakers who edit musicbrainz

kepstin-laptop: cool :)

On a completely unrelated note, and for those who haven't heard

Data quality no longer has an effect on voting

we also need more latin americans, so I don't have to enter all that reggaeton on my own.

reosarevok: yay!

reosarevok: yay!

you're welcome :)

What's data quality for, then?

So please start using it when appropriate!

intgr: for indicating data quality!

Oh ok :)

reosarevok: and changing data quality?

ianmcorvidae?

I did what MBS-5008 said

warp: presumably also a normal edit?

so I think it has the same rules as everything else

good.

you *could* check the documentation on the site though :)

kepstin-laptop: I'd hope so, yes.

I *think* it still can't be autoedited

reosarevok: I can accept that.

But needs a normal amount of votes

Yeah, I have no problems with that, just saying

oh, bah, never mind, the docs don't work for it :P

Oh

ianmcorvidae, didn't I update the docs?

no, the automatic docs

e.g. https://beta.musicbrainz.org/doc/Edit_Types/38

but yes, edit_conditions for change release quality is the default minus autoediting

Meh

ianmcorvidae: that link is all in spanish! I don't understand a word it says!

warp: :P

warp: unless you're saying that you didn't touch the language switcher and it defaulted to spanish based on browser settings, which it shouldn't be, but :P

ianmcorvidae: no, I switched it myself.

http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Data_Quality there!

"Por favor consulta la documentación oficial del tipo de edición para obtener más detalles." that should probably be a link somewhere.

Sounds like an idea, yes :)

(although the docs will be in English :( )

I hate html pages which say "look <somewhere else> for bla bla bla" and then not make it a link.

warp, reosarevok: make a ticket, that's an easy fix

ianmcorvidae: coming up.

Also, warp: given the quality of edits to reggaeton stuff I've seen coming from LatAm, I'm not too sure that'd be better :p

reosarevok: good point :)

ianmcorvidae: MBS-5352, I've assigned it to you.

intgr: i'd gladly word "Toimetused tellitud olemitel" better, if you come up with a better wording (and one that's not terribly long at that)

warp, also, any recent recommendations?

Although that's pretty much latin rap already, the beats are totally US-like

reosarevok: I still check http://www.reggaetonline.net/es-reggaeton-top-2... once every few months, and download what they link to.

reosarevok: see the first three cover images on http://relatedmusic.org/ for my recent downloads.

v6lur: "Jälgitud asjade muudatused" at least sounds Estonian :)

Use simple words and whatever you do, don't look at Google translator.

yea, but i wouldn't call people (artists) 'things' :P

i don't, actually...

intgr: why? don't you like to "hoida keegi firma"?

(that's their suggestion for "keep someone company", of course :) )

Hehe

although 'jälgima' instead of 'tellima' does sound better -- i'll see if it fits everywhere (so it'd be consistent)

warp: huh, there's new daddy yankee?

Guess it's worth checking it out

estonian mb looks so foreign

reosarevok: yes, the first single of that was out ages ago, I think the release of the album was postponed several times.

warp: also, how is the new Clark?

yea, i imagine it does

reosarevok: I haven't been in the mood for Clark, so I don't much opinion on it. maybe ocharles has listened to it a bit more.

v6lur: aren’t people more familar with “redigeering” than “toimetus”? I know I am

i hate that word :P

(well, almost...)

toimetus means other things to me :P

It's what wikipedia uses, though

toimetus?

"redigeeri"

(I was trying to use a different word than wikipedia for edits because I didn't like theirs, too, but in the end I gave up and admitted that's the word people would expect)

yea, and (too) many other places as well, such as file managers...

I wouldn’t mind toimetus myself, but yeah, I think most people would expect redigeeri

"toimetama" on the other hand has a nicely broad meaning, which fits almost everywhere

also, it's easily turned into a noun, toimetus

are there places in mb where redigeerima doesn’t quite fit?

(cf. tänasida toimetusi ära viska homse varna :P)

yea, the noun thingy

i mean, is "redigeering" even a word? :P

idk, actually :)

1st thing that came to my mind

õs says it is

O_o

redaktsioon is more common

I agree, there should be a better word for it :P

yea, but that's already quite different from "redigeerima" -- not that it necessarily *has to* be the same, but it'd be nice

Submit one to one of these "new Estonian words" contests!

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A translation for "direct edit" then?