#musicbrainz

Yeah. DK is publically/tax funded.

yeah. the one here is 15€ per year and you have to pay extra to borrow cds/dvds or 30€ per year and you don't

but you don't have to pay just go to in the library

Yeah, DH was 25€ per year IIRC for borrowing

reosarevok / nikki: Uh. Do I need to make a wiki (proposal) page for a VIAF relationship type? If so, where are other "other db" subtypes that I can look at? Are they linked from anywhere?

yes

And dunno, check maybe http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Discogs_Relationshi...

(ugh wtf is up with that contents table)

reosarevok: Is http://catalogo.bne.es/uhtbin/authoritybrowse.c... an MB Work or Release? (Or Release Group?)

Freso: ...

Good question

reosarevok: http://viaf.org/viaf/176606219/#McCartney,_Paul...

I *imagine* it's a work, from the info there

:p

Trying to figure out which entities to enable linking to, without having to make a ton of follow-up RFCs. :)

Ok, so apparently it is :)

Is there already MARC parser for making geordi import? =)

heh

I strongly doubt it

But I assume nobody would complain if you wrote one ;)

Maybe I try do it myself... already found pymarc

It would need to be modified somewhat for each different catalog - from what I've seen MARC specs aren't as compatible as they should

But it would still be helpful

Jozo: you could test it with http://openmetadata.lib.harvard.edu/bibdata for example which is CC0

reosarevok: "Entity has VIAF id at URL" / "URL is VIAF id for Entity"?

Freso: sounds ok.

Freso: the latter is unnecessary

nikki: The latter?

there's nowhere in the db to store it

?

"URL is VIAF id for Entity"

A relationship is bidirectional, no?

reosarevok: Data is partially open... (There is open licenced dump somewhere...) and just googled and found http://data.kirjastot.fi/

yes, but we use short link phrases

not the ones that form sentences

Jozo: hmm, that seems to include JSON

Might be easier to get into geordi

nikki: It is still mentioned on https://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Wikipedia_Relation... and for Discogs and other relationships.

Freso: yes. nobody's bothered fixing all the pages

right...

I won't do it because I disagree with the amount of duplication and nobody else gives a shit, it seems

anyway, I'd expect "a" or "the" before "VIAF" and "id" to be uppercase

Jozo: http://data.kirjastot.fi/data.html the Turku one is cc0 so that could go into geordi - if you can isolate the music recordings info, which should be easy with MARC

Jozo: unsure about the CC-BY-SA one since our data isn't really in the same license and I'm unsure if edit note links count as attribution

reosarevok: My TODO list also has task to contact to authories and ask if they can open data bit more....

That'd be nice

Freso: the main reason it is still on the template is because I cry every time I look at the template

reosarevok: :p

reosarevok: So.. what should I omit from the template?

Freso: you need to add proposal = 1 (but I hope you knew that because that'd mean it's indicated somewhere)

reosarevok: "proposal = 1" is listed on the Template page, yes.

Ok, good

But I only knew how to find that page because I have MediaWiki-fu.

I didn't see any links to it.

But no, really, it's linked from https://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Proposals

what template? :P

:D

Isn't it?

heh, seems it is not

Maybe that should change

Added!

I it prohibited to link other sites without (permission)?

Jozo: what do you mean? :)

(example)

reosarevok: http://musicbrainz.org/artist/b359241d-7efa-4dc... (pomus there)

Jozo: no, that's fine

The prohibited stuff is pretty much just for lyrics and scores because they can get us into trouble if we link to "illegal" lyrics pages. Nobody is going to sue us for linking to a biography (I hope!) :)

reosarevok: and http://musicbrainz.org/artist/3828d09c-750f-41c... hamewiki there

So I don't need make proposal for them...

For other databases, we're *supposed* to request community approval - although it's not as strongly enforced as the other stuff

(so if I change this hamewiki to biography no-one complain =)

heh

Probably not, but at least looking at pomus, it might make sense to add it to the databases thing with a proposal anyway

(if it has a lot of useful bios)

That way it could also get a sidebar link + icon and stuff

Yes, I was saying just same...

Jozo: If you think you're going to add a site/database to a wider array of entities, making a proposal would be nice, as that would also allow someone to add "URL autoguessing and -normalising" to the JS code.

Pomus has bios for about every significant finnish composer/lyricis and so

if it's linked as a bio page, it doesn't need a proposal

(even to add it to the sidebar or auto-matching stuff. we do that for facebook, etc, even though there was no proposal for it, just because it's used a lot)

:o

Heresy!

Dunno, this pomus thing pretty much looks like a database to me :p

But I could live with either I guess?

I didn't look at it

I'm just saying

What lyrics site I should favor?

(eg witch one can be parsed by machine...)

(I like link to artist site if they provide lyrics... but that seems prohibited...)

Jozo: I usually link to all lyrics site that are allowed that I can find the lyrics on.

Is it possible link to tablatures if they are available at artist site? =)

eg http://www.apulanta.fi/fin/tabulatuurit/tab48ae...

Freso: I may do same...

Freso: But I like see bot doing this lyrics linking....

I seem to recall that I don't use lyricstatus or directlyrics because their sites suck

is lyrics.wikia.com better?

Jozo: The bot only adds on artist level (for now anyway).

one of them at least has fake entries iirc (i.e. pages which are only there to say "oh, we don't actually have this, hahahahaha we made you load some ads and waste your time"

)

Jozo: And I think that's LyricStatus' own bot adding links to their own site.

Freso: Yeh, but it's boring to link lyrics to every work by hand.... (I just do it when I listening...)

lyricwiki is not much better because it's on wikia, but at least I already have a script to extract the lyrics section for me so I never have to actually go there

I mostly only use kasi-time, but then again I mostly only edit japanese stuff :P

I prefer WikiCommons...

But that's mostly for old stuff. :p

Hjum

Wikicommons has only non copyrighted stuff?

They only have free (as in freedom) stuff.

I've linked only one time to it... (some swedish traditional song...)

heh. directlyrics doesn't even work for me...

the search just says "Loading search environment..."

So Public Domain, CC, and copyleft stuff could be in the Wikicommons.

Is there no possibilty to link directly to artist site?

nikki: No. :/

?

hahaha wikipedians http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Histo...

hjum, that url doesn't seem pretty stable either...

Freso: did you mean Jozo?

Jozo: Yes.

;)

yes,no,yes,no

Freso: It's bit funny that if I copy lyrcis to some site... it's more "legal" than linking to directly to artist site (whom I can ask permission to do so...)

Jozo: It's not a matter of legality wrt linking to artist website, AFAIK.

Jozo: Merely that there's no good way (technically) to enable links to artist sites while also blacklisting all non-white listed lyrics sites.

Freso: Yeh. I just want see lyrics whitout some ad in the middle of...

Also, I'd love to see a little orange-purple brain next to the W on the source graph under "Preferred Forms" on http://viaf.org/viaf/109231256/

Jozo: Wikicommons! :D

Freso: I like to see some site where artist can provide lyrics without abandoning (?) copyright

(and tablatures)

Jozo: lyrics.wikia, directlyrics, ... ?