#musicbrainz

Ok, work done and super late here so I'm going to go home and sleep :)

Leftmost: let me know if you have any more doubts, or just send a mail at my nick @ mb

:)

Night! :)

luks: I'm quite happy with us having 3 repositories. It's much better than just having 1. That's not really a good assessment of the state of the project. Editing has been implemented in the web service for about 3 months now - the only reason it wasn't in the site last release is because we started out using Knockout.js, a decision based on the MB client JS code, and then ditched it, because React is better.

The soft release was never intended to be feature-complete, but represented the first time that it was secure for users to register and try things out. The whole purpose of the beta is to get feedback from users about the features we have.

LordSputnik: but that's what I'm saying, you are focusing on technology, not being a book database

The technology is as important as the books

for me, the project was a haskell experiment, NES experiment, nodejs experiment, ...

never really a book database

Part of the idea behind the project is to make a reusable base for other *Brainz projects, so my aim is to minimize the amount of book specific code we have to write

It was never an experiment for me. For me, the focus was always on a book database. Others working on the code haven't always viewed it the same way and I haven't always been active, but that's what I've always considered it.

Right now, you can edit three files, and turn the BookBrainz WS into a MusicBrainz WS

LordSputnik: but you know that's never going to be done

luks: why not?

because the model does not fit?

I'd like to see the versioning you have there applied to MB data

I think that's the main reason the NES experiments failed

Well sure, the model doesn't fit the MB schema, but that's because we've designed our schema to be different on purpose

My point is, making a new *Brainz right now is as easy as changing three files and redesigning the website

And I hope to make it even easier than that as we go along with BookBrainz

I'm sorry for being skeptical, but I don't see that happening

Well I hope it happens, otherwise making MovieBrainz and ElectronicsBrainz will be tough :P

my main lesson from working on MB was to always try to make the simplest possible thing

Well, BB is much simpler than MB right now, so that's good :P

the database schema is definitely not simple

How so? It's fairly simple, we've just used inheritance to remove the need to have loads of entity specific tables, and changed the editing system to be revision-based and follow NES

(well, NES-lite, since we ditched having both edits and revisions)

without checking the code, tell me the sql query to get the data about the latest version of a book? :)

sure, let me type it

Which data do you want? :P

title and author

SELECT al.name, c.name FROM bookbrainz.entity AS e JOIN bookbrainz.entity_revision AS rev ON e.master_revision_id = rev.revision_id JOIN bookbrainz.entity_data AS d ON d.entity_data_id = rev.entity_data_id JOIN bookbrainz.edition_data as ed ON ed.entity_data_id = d.entity_data_id JOIN bookbrainz.creator_credit AS c ON c.creator_credit_id = ed.creator_credit_id JOIN bookbrainz.entity_alias AS al ON al.alias_id = d.defau

c.name may be wrong, Leftmost only added that last week and I haven't had a good look at it yet :P

and while the MB query is simpler, aliases are considered separately from the entity name and there's no support for looking at past revisions

Oh, I missed out a table there, since entity_data -> alias is many to many

you'd need to change the last part to ... JOIN bookbrainz.entity_data__entity_alias AS ed_al ON ed.entity_data_id = ed_al.entity_data_id JOIN bookbrainz.entity_alias AS al ON al.alias_id = ed_al.alias_id;

but we don't use SQL anyway, so in terms of our code, that would only be: "revision = db.session.query(EntityRevision).filter_by(entity_gid=entity_gid).one(); aliases = revision.entity_data.aliases; credit = revision.entity_data.creator_credit;"

well, I still have my doubts that the revision cross linking is easier to manage than a bunch of json files

but good job on the SQL, I expected you wouldn't do it :)

I don't. I work with a bunch of JSON files at work and our data is an endless mess.

but you link from one entity to past revisions of another entity and that can link to another ancient revision of another entity

I can't imagine a simple way to present that to a human who is supposed to edit that

We don't link from any entities to past revisions.

looking at the schema, you check the revision only at the top entity

everything below that refers directly to _data tables by ID

and if I understand correctly, those IDs can refer to past revisions

All links between entity data and another entity are by GID, from which master_revision_id is used.

ok, then the cut-off part of the SQL must have been longer than I expected

luks: the entity is linked to a master revision, and each revision also has an entity_gid, so we can get all the revisions for a particular entity. Each revision links to a particular piece of entity data, which links to aliases, disambiguation and annotation

any opinions on using Presonus interfaces with Windows 8?

hi

quick clarification: having multiple artist tags is not spec-compilant, right?

Rasi, depends on the spec

ok, vorbiscomment and id3 are of interest for me

i know i cant set multiple artist fields in musicbrainz picard

http://www.xiph.org/vorbis/doc/v-comment.html under Implications: "Field names are not required to be unique (occur once) within a comment header."

kepstin: but would you consider it bad practice to do so?

it seems ugly to me

dunno. it's not that well supported by players.

id3v2.4 on the other hand has a way (in some tag types) of specifying multiple values within a single tag

id3v2.3 does not, if i recall.

ok

(for multivalue tags in idv2.3, picard sets it to a single string with a separate character between values)

anyways, in musicbrainz we set the "artist" tag always to a single string, which is the formatted "artist credit" used on the track

which can contain multiple artist names, e.g. "Someone vs. Other Person" or "Some Band (feat. Awesome Vocalist)"

in formats that support it, the version of picard I have (which is a recent git build, i dunno if this is in the released version) sets an additional multi-value tag that contains just the list of artists.

I believe it uses the name "ARTISTS" for that in vorbiscomment.

hello, i have Internal Server Error (ISE) on a release, is it the case for all of you ? Is it a known bug ? https://musicbrainz.org/edit/32832744#note-3283...

if an automod could approve the two edits mentionned in https://musicbrainz.org/edit/32843396#note-3284... before a recording merge applies so that avoids generating duplicate ARs… it would be nice. :)

(btw, that release and recordings require some title fix after all those merges apply)

☞ http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-8373

I am right in thinking that if a mb release has discids it cant possibly be a Vinyl release and should not be linked to VInyl releases on other dbs such as discogs ?

aside from all the cases where discids were added by mistake to vinyl releases, yeah.

is the discid attached to other releases too?

dunno, but in this example the key thing was it was linked to multiple disocgs releases, some oof them CD and some Vinyl

kepstin-laptop how do you add discids to vinyl, I thought they were only generated from CD's

or do you mean homemade CD's of vinyl tracks

ijabz2, people have in the past added discids from a cd version of a release to the vinyl release on musicbrainz by mistake, particularly if the medium type wasn't set correctly.

so we have a bunch of releases from the 70s with discids that are obviously wrong one way or the other :)

dunno how much of that has been cleaned up, but there are reports for it.

didn't the move to NGS also create a lot of incorrect release<>discid associations?

e.g. http://classic.musicbrainz.org/release/65759636...

it should have put all three disc ids on both the cd releases, but neither of the vinyl ones.

man, musicbrainz classic, so nostalgic now ;)

right, understood. but if the format was unset for a particular release event, did those get discids?

I'd assume they would, yes

hard to check at this point, except maybe by digging up the code that did the migration :/

wow. look at all the table borders. it's like a website made of legos.

1px borders and pastel colour backgrounds :)