But we don't have a mechanism to say "this was split into X and Y"
2021-01-04 00428, 2021
yvanzo
That mechanism could be a Split Artist edit type?
2021-01-04 00411, 2021
reosarevok
It could, but that wouldn't really help resolve the MBID later
2021-01-04 00423, 2021
reosarevok
Or you mean you would somehow redirect the MBID to the edit itself?
2021-01-04 00400, 2021
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yvanzo
Right, it would make the MBID redirect more complicated.
2021-01-04 00436, 2021
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2021-01-04 00426, 2021
reosarevok
I'm not necessarily against at least keeping the MBID redirecting to the edit as in "this is the last we know of it", or in the WS to a page saying "this MBID was split into mbids X and Y and Z"
2021-01-04 00437, 2021
yvanzo
We could either redirect to a page that lists artists out of the split (which may in turn list other splitted artists), or just redirect to the first artist (which would be the same as merging the splitted artist into it).
2021-01-04 00444, 2021
reosarevok
It just seems like a fairly big schema change thing :) But we *did* want to stop removing those
2021-01-04 00403, 2021
reosarevok
I don't like the idea of redirecting to the first artist much, because that suggests that they're equivalent
2021-01-04 00436, 2021
yvanzo
Agree.
2021-01-04 00448, 2021
reosarevok
Having a page like "this was split into X Y Z" would be easier but require, I assume, a split_artist_gid_redirect table
2021-01-04 00410, 2021
reosarevok
original_gid split_gid (with one row per split_gid)
2021-01-04 00416, 2021
yvanzo
It's indeed a big change because having MBIDs to redirect to actual entities is a strong basis everywhere, even outside the server itself.
2021-01-04 00424, 2021
reosarevok
And for us to have the data :)
2021-01-04 00440, 2021
reosarevok
(which we don't for most historical splits probably...)
I added the CD last week in anticipation of it arriving, but the track listing on discogs is completely wrong, and it actually has an additional 16 tracks :(
2021-01-04 00400, 2021
evelyn
so, these edits add the tracks.
2021-01-04 00439, 2021
yvanzo
evelyn: It is likely that the track listing from discogs did not come out of nowhere, I would suggest creating a separate release.
2021-01-04 00448, 2021
Lotheric
according to the edit history on discogs, the tracklist came from the vinyl
2021-01-04 00423, 2021
evelyn
it's a CDR produced on demand, though, by an obscure music by mail company in Harrogate
2021-01-04 00424, 2021
yvanzo
So editing the track listing of the CD release seems legitimate, but changing the recordings and the tracklisting of the vinyl release isn’t.
2021-01-04 00451, 2021
evelyn
but, I didn't change the tracklisting of the vinyl release
2021-01-04 00431, 2021
evelyn
I edited the recording titles because the vinyl LP also has those exact titles
but that is also the recording titles on the vinyl LP
2021-01-04 00413, 2021
evelyn
(I'll add an edit note explaining that)
2021-01-04 00444, 2021
yvanzo
So you have both the reissued CDR release and the original vinyl LP?
2021-01-04 00427, 2021
evelyn
yes, I do
2021-01-04 00437, 2021
evelyn
I bought the LP at a local shop, then I discovered there was a CD with new notes with improved sound quality, so I bought that - I added both of them to musicbrainz.
2021-01-04 00441, 2021
yvanzo
Cool :)
2021-01-04 00444, 2021
yvanzo
evelyn: Please mention when you have a release at hand when writing edit notes, for example from https://musicbrainz.org/edit/75919104 I thought you checked an LP release on discogs.
2021-01-04 00445, 2021
evelyn
sorry - yeah, that was not a good edit note. what I had meant was that I had the LP in front of me, and that I checked the credits against the ones in text on discogs. discogs also has an image of the back cover that people can see.
2021-01-04 00450, 2021
yvanzo
Is it possible that there used to be an actual CD release with 17 tracks not 33?
2021-01-04 00442, 2021
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evelyn
I don't think so, because the release was at the request of Seamus Tansey, who wrote the liner notes, and it says he wanted to add dialogue explaining the context of the release as well as the extra track. The other piece of context is that this was originally released on one of the folk music labels in the 70s, was then purchased by the people who made the CD
2021-01-04 00455, 2021
evelyn
and they only produced a couple of CDs in very limited quantities
2021-01-04 00409, 2021
evelyn
(all CDRs, sold in a single shop in Glasgow or by mail order)
2021-01-04 00426, 2021
evelyn
I'm not sure how to vieww the editing history on discogs, but if the track listing came from the vinyl as lotheric says, it doesn't suggest that there was a 17 track CD
2021-01-04 00409, 2021
evelyn
unfortunately, there are no images of the CD other than the front cover :(
