#musicbrainz

JonnyJD: it seems to me that you want to work with a stack of patches, rather than a graph of revisions. that's fine, but I'd say that's not the usual dvcs workflow

but I take it as "I shouldn't rebase that often" even if it is only feature branches

in fact that's the workflow used mostly in svn

where you don't see inside the merged feature branches, so you get just one commit per feature

luks: lets just say I have quite a rapid development approach to feature branches. On my local machine I rebase frequently (one feature only, not multiple things)

When a release consists of separate tracks, and then a continuous mix track, the continuous mix track should be the DJ who mixed it right?

So when most people wouldn't even commit locally. I already commit prototypes and sometimes push them to feature branches for others to see.

johtso: not necessarily, but usually yes

But I probably should rebase at least less for feature branches I pushed.

Thanks for the feedback luks.

I can't change your opinion, but for projects that I work on, open source and proprietary, we never throw away any commits

and I often found it useful to be able to go back to the broken versions in between

Well, for big changes I create a new branch on git and rebase that. So for the feature_list api on libdiscid I alredy have created like 10 branches with possible solutions.

luks, does this look like a good approach to copy? http://musicbrainz.org/release/50acc43e-2803-40...

basically lots and lots of relationships :)

(local branches, and 2 pushed to github)

johtso: that looks good to me, but I'd be probably too lazy to add the "is a DJ mix of" relationships :)

does seem a little strange having all these sub-release relationships

luks: well, it's very easy now :)

(load the relationship editor, select all tracks but the last, add the links in one go :) )

I'm still not sure how cautious I should be when deciding whether to use existing recordings in a release or create new ones

how sure should you be before deciding not to create a new recording?

johtso: I usually check the acoustID primarily.

hawke_1, aha, is that forgiving of trailing silence?

if it matches an existing recording that has only that acoustID, I will pick that one.

yes.

definitely if the track is longer than two minutes

otherwise it may be a bit more iffy.

hawke_1, is it not relatively rare for a recording to have an acoustID in MB?

Not at all.

ah, great

it depends a lot on the genre though, I expect.

but I shouldn't worry too much about just creating a release with all new recordings right?

No, not at all.

merging recordings can easily be done down the road

yep

all the better if you submit acoustIDs to them though, to make that more confident. ;-)

haha

I though my phone has gone crazy when every 30 seconds it was beeping about a new message on style list xD

Ben\Sput, do you have the source for your waveplot stuff anywhere?

Leftmost: the clients on github, the server isn't yet

Leftmost: https://github.com/LordSputnik/waveplot-client

Leftmost: imager/ directory has the important stuff, mostly C++, scanner/ has all the scripty stuff that would be in the picard plugin, if there was one :P

What's the general structure? Using the client, will it submit to your database, or can I create my own?

the C code take an audio file as a parameter, and extracts the data and computes the image, then outputs it on stdout

is a "vocal remake" the equivalent of a remix for the purposes of relationships?

you'd then read the output, and submit it to the database using the /submit/ url endpoint

and does anyone know what a vocal remake is? :)

Leftmost: that's what the python "scanner" does

so, if you wanted to make your own, you'd take the C application, and write your own submission script for it, which supplies the server with the necessary info

*C++

johtso: haven’t a clue.

Freso, ping

johtso: I think it's a remix where the vocal line is given extra importance, but yeah, it's not the clearest thing...

reosarevok, makes sense. Found another recording that had the person as a remixer, so seems like the way to go

seems a little strange that you could mark a remixer as "additional"

Sometimes they get that credit

Who knows *why*

The music industry is weird :)

a vocal remake is probably just a remix

but sometimes "remake" actually means cover

which is confusing :)

this is hilarious: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_emb...

Is there any way to tell if Picard has submitted acoustID fingerprints successfully?

johtso: it should say so in the bottom left

johtso: also you can check if the recordings you submitted them to now have acoustids.

Leftmost: pong!

Aha, I need to explicitly "scan" them right?

johtso: yup

johtso: I didn't work that out for months :P

and if looks up the fingerprint it's also submitting it?

*if it

JonnyJD: I don't mess with hg. And I'm not really a Bitbucket guy. I like the culture around GitHub far better than the one surrounding BB. But, unfortunately, BB's just got some thing More Right(tm) than GH. :/

johtso: not so far as I know, you need to actually submit them for it to submit

Freso: thanks.

Ben\Sput, how would I do that?

johtso: there should be a submit button at the top

next to save iirc

yeah, in betweeen "Save" and "CD Lookup"

Ben\Sput, aha, it's greyed out, which I assume means they're already in the DB?

johtso: yes, if you've scanned them and dragged them to a release in the right hand side pane

Or does it only work if it's from a physical CD?

johtso: it should work for any audio

wait.. you can open a CD in picard, what am I talking about :D

johtso: although it doesn't really make sense if it's not from digital sources

*can't

Freso, I was wondering if you could confirm that http://beta.musicbrainz.org/work/38760fe2-8f86-... is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsFhQWGZoSk

luks: As late as yseterday night, a branch was branched off from the wrong parent branch. Of course, the commits could have been exported and re-applied to the proper branch - but it was easier and quicker to simply rebase the new branch on top of what was supposed to have been its parent branch.

Leftmost: I'm guessing it is.

Leftmost: Remind me in the morrow, and I'll give my recording a listen and compare.

hawke_1: I think I explained enough in the first edit, you seem so sure of yourself, I give up, congrats.

Leftmost: But Anne-Marie of Prisme is a harpist, FWIW.

mr_maxis: yeah, but the voting in the first edit pretty much covered that whole thing, the second edit didn’t justify the revert at all.

Nor did it link to the earlier discussion.

hawke_1: in your opinion

mr_maxis: you think the picture link was self-explanatory?

At least one editor who voted yes was unaware of the previous discussion.

Freso, well, the harp is a convenient video. There's a recording "Song of the Kelpie" on a Solas album, wanted to see if I could use that work.

The second edit linked to a Discogs release which didn't even include the contested picture, merely showing that someone at Discogs thought it should be credited that way.

hmm

I need an example of an album on Juno Download

a VA/comp

that contains one track that is a mashup of two tracks

I have a VA with artist credits that's working well.

My ability to search for this is terrible for some reason.

also, searching for 'mashup' on junodownload is disheartening

aha, found one

VxJasonxV: awesome :)

I would have helepd but I just read this :)

It's so hard to find cover art scans of some of these albums I want to correct. Someone should really archive those.

Yeah, maybe archive.org is interested.

Eh, probably too much trouble for them.

Yeah

I bet their servers would have trouble with it anyway

oh snap!

hawke_1: those images haven't shown up yet, have they?

Nope.

k

I'll ask them

I don’t remember ever seeing a “page not found” error on archive’s site before either when I had trouble with a missing image.

but maybe I just never looked before

that's normal if mb thinks there's an image and IA doesn't

k

Meh, some of the stuff I added this morning is still on the front page

People, go add more stuff with cover art!

like, one of the releases you entered just with a different country?:P

Is it just me or have most of the things in the recent stuff for the past couple days been rap?

hawke_1: apparently the server the images are on is down

hawke_1: so I assume they'll show up when it's back

OK, sounds good.

well, not good — but I’ll live.

Leftmost: well, that's what I usually add :p

(well, I also add a fair amount of classical works and standalone recordings - but those don't show there :) )

And I guess there are a couple others adding them too

no point uploading all the images I have and having nothing ot break it with :P

Since I generally import the rap from iTunes or bandcamp, the front image is just there for the uploading too

heh

A "recently added videos" would be nice though :p

(with recently added streamable youtube links)

Would probably be pretty much full of Spanish rap and Estonian performers of classical though I guess

(since I don't think many others are adding videos)

I do, but only in batches every so often