#musicbrainz

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      • CatCat
        :D@
      • that's the piel indeed
      • culinko
        oh, didn't know that. i thought aliases are something separate
      • CatCat
        i mena alaises. damn that's left over from merges
      • reosarevok
        culinko: they are. but both share a tab
      • CatCat
        especially the bottom of the page
      • RARWGRGRGARGGG
      • culinko
        there should be something to prevent this, yes
      • reosarevok
        There is now, isn't it?
      • It warns you and shit
      • culinko
        no idea, haven't created VA yet and probably won't
      • too bad there is no "view edit history" in this tab
      • you would at least know who did what
      • CatCat
        ?"!GRTzhdzksuehnwytu Sailor moon?!
      • ev<hrtentv
      • WHAT
      • "sērā mūn , sērāmākyurī , sērāmāzu , sērā jupitā , sērāvīnasu , sērāuranusu , sērā nepuchūn , chibi u sa , takishīdo kamen"
      • cool, but WTF
      • culinko
        i have no idea what those mean, but i assume they are wrong
      • kepstin-work
        those are the names of the various sailor moon characters when rendered with a strict romanization
      • CatCat
        A%E3%82%B9%E3%80%81%E3%82%BB%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A9%E3%83%BC%E3%82%A6%E3%83%A9%E3%83%8C%E3%82%B9%E3%80%81%E3%82%BB%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A9%E3%83%BC%E3%83%8D%E3%83%97%E3%83%81%E3%83%A5%E3%83%BC%E3%83%B3%E3%80%81%E3%81%A1%E3%81%B3%E3%81%86%E3%81%95%E3%80%81%E3%82%BF%E3%82%AD%E3%82%B7%E3%83%BC%E3%83%89%E4%BB%AE%E9%9D%A2%E3%80%81%E4%BB%96&type=recording&limit=25&method=indexed
      • yes
      • kepstin-work
        ...
      • CatCat
        fail also url
      • culinko
        Sorry, but your request could not be decoded. Please ensure your request is encoded as utf-8 and try again.
      • CatCat
      • kepstin-work
        your url is too long :/
      • CatCat
        all these are fictional carathers. should be the voice ators
      • actors
      • kepstin-work
        why?
      • CatCat
        erh
      • kepstin-work
        it's typical for the characters to be credited on that type of album
      • CatCat
        yes
      • but tha actual voice actor shoudl be the one creited. you can still use the creit on the release of course, and should
      • reosarevok
        Before you start arguing
      • CatCat
        eg so and so ans minako aino
      • culinko
        HibiscusKazeneko did this! consequences will never be the same!
      • reosarevok
      • reosarevok gets a 502 every time :/
      • CatCat
        as what?
      • culinko
        i can enter it
      • np
      • CatCat
        aga also these are not even regualr voice actors it's the musicals, so evebn more so
      • culinko
        i had some 502s today as well as slow loading from mb, but i loaded this one immediately
      • CatCat
        ha i get 502 too reosarevok
      • culinko
        <- special
      • kepstin-work
        CatCat: using the fictional characters has been the accepted normal way to handle this right now - you can add "performed vocal" ars to the people who performed the voice if you want.
      • CatCat
        >_< that was prior artist credit
      • my god how many times do we need to do this ffor every new thing
      • reosarevok
        culinko: still not entered :p
      • CatCat
        we've been doing it the crazy borked way to overcome limitations i nthem odel way for so long now that perople have forgotern what we made NGS for i nthe first place :/
      • reosarevok can load the page, but not enter the edit :(
      • reosarevok: I get 502 as well whne trying
      • kepstin-work
        CatCat: the release is credited to the characters, not to the voice actors/real performers. therefore the characters go in artist credits, and the performers get ars.
      • culinko
        oh
      • i just opened it
      • reosarevok
        Try to enter it
      • culinko
        tell me what you want to type there, maybe ill be lucky :d
      • CatCat
        but as what
      • hawke_1
        CatCat: “performed vocal” probably
      • reosarevok
        culinko: just "is a performance of"
      • CatCat
        is a recording yo um,ean
      • reosarevok
        heh
      • True :)
      • culinko
        any attribs?
      • CatCat
        the characters shouldn' even really have artist pages
      • they don't really exsist
      • not as a music anyway
      • hawke_1
        CatCat: I disagree.
      • CatCat
        maaaybe minako Aino
      • if you stretch it
      • kepstin-work
        CatCat: you are never getting rid of those. There is even an rfc going through right now to add artist types for them
      • CatCat
        yes i know
      • isj
      • hawke_1
        (Not sure for Sailor Moon specifically, but in general certainly fictional artists are fine)
      • reosarevok
        culinko: nope
      • CatCat
        people are so.. arg
      • reosarevok: i think there might be a genuine bug behind this one
      • culinko
        reosarevok: bah, 502
      • reosarevok
        :(
      • ianmcorvidae
        people are so interested in finding things by what actually matters to them, which most of the time is the character, not the voice actor
      • CatCat
        yes. peopel are stupid
      • we shouldn't make it *Æeasier* for thme to be stupid :/
      • kepstin-work
        the really fun ones are when both the artist and the character are credited on the album... http://musicbrainz.org/release/fbe28f63-2d66-44...
      • CatCat
        yesi know, rage machine
      • but i1m tired now and i need to eat, despite yoshi deciding i'm his chair
      • kepstin-work
        that is so much nicer than the pre-ngs way of doing it - before the real artists couldn't be linked at all :)
      • kepstin-work is still going around and splitting artists that look like "Character (Vocalist)" into their component parts.
      • CatCat
        hrm, i suppose that's better thna nothing, but I don' ee what's wrong with "Real artist" as "character name"
      • really
      • why not
      • culinko
        reosarevok: are edits broken now or just your relationship thing?
      • kepstin-work
        CatCat: because that loses the ability to find things associated with a particular character.
      • reosarevok
        culinko, probably all recording-work ones :/
      • hawke_1
        ianmcorvidae: Would you consider the label to be “Humble Bundle” for the latest HB release?
      • (for the exclusive anyway)
      • ianmcorvidae
        hawke_1: no idea, heh
      • hawke_1: I was putting off actually entering them :P
      • it might be [no label] though, like we do with bandcamp
      • reosarevok
        meh
      • VxJasonxV
        holy crap
      • ianmcorvidae
        I guess humble bundle makes more sense in this case though
      • reosarevok
        502 loading an artist
      • ianmcorvidae
        I'd go with that
      • VxJasonxV
        how many humble *blank* bundles ARE THERE?
      • reosarevok
        500 loading a recording page
      • reosarevok looks at totoro stats
      • VxJasonxV
        also, I've never been more conflicted on a humble bundle before.
      • CatCat
        kepstin-work: that's a databvase limitation though, and data shouldn't really be changed for that imho
      • VxJasonxV
        Valkyria Chronicles soundtrack :ooo
      • hawke_1
        VxJasonxV: As in, how many different organizations with that concept, or how many specifically from the real “Humble Bundle” org?
      • ianmcorvidae: Yeah, that’s my conflict as well — I don’t really have any logic for one over the other.
      • culinko
        artist search is going to be 502
      • reosarevok
        totoro looks fine
      • culinko
        aaaaaaaaaand here it is
      • VxJasonxV
        hawke_1, both, actually.
      • ianmcorvidae
        hawke_1: I guess my reasoning here is that it isn't the artists putting their own stuff up on a site (like with bandcamp), it's the humble bundle people going out and looking for people, etc.
      • then again, Jamendo should be [no label] then, but there we want to track catalog numbers
      • hawke_1
        ianmcorvidae: So the “curation” aspect?
      • ianmcorvidae
        hawke_1: yeah, that was my thought
      • hawke_1: may be total bullshit, but :P
      • VxJasonxV
        oooooh, neat.
      • Humble Bundle's offices are really close by.
      • kepstin-work
        I always think of the humble-bundle type deals as "a store took a bunch or albums, shrinkwrapped them together, and sells them really cheap"
      • then just enter the releases individually, with their own labels if they have them
      • ianmcorvidae
        kepstin-work: the exclusives are the thing though -- for the ones that are released separately, clearly you're right
      • VxJasonxV
        wow, right behind the hotel I stayed at too.
      • CatCat
        I'M SICK OF THESE MOTHA'FUCKIN 502'S IN THESE MOTHA'FUCKIN SEARCHES AND EDITS!
      • ::D
      • ianmcorvidae
        kepstin-work: but some of these are exclusive to this humble bundle
      • culinko
        i got 500s too haha :D
      • hawke_1
        o_O — “Guess Case” icon isn’t loading for me.
      • culinko
        well the site has been slow for me the whole day
      • kepstin-work
        ianmcorvidae: sure, but they're still separate releases in a bundled sale
      • ianmcorvidae
        kepstin-work: yes, that's agreed: but what label do you put for the exclusives within the bundle?
      • i.e. yes, they're separate releases -- but what label do you put on the ones that are only available as part of this bundle?
      • hawke_1
        Oof, entering a release with existing recordings is *ugly*
      • “submit cluster as release” — get to recordings tab — lookup acoustID to find the right recording — paste in recording URL for each recording :-/
      • CatCat
        lol i got a 502 o a search
      • refresh
      • get a 500
      • rgis needs ot be on a thing with a moose on it
      • "errormoose"
      • MBChatLogger
      • reosarevok
        beta.mb.org seems to be faster
      • Although it still gives 502 for the recording-work rels
      • In case someone wants a Mudhoney live while meh-ing at MB :p
      • culinko
        hmm, i just have a dilemma :) i have one 2CD album. on mb it's there as separate one CD and a "bonus disc". could i create a new 2 CD version from these two? so they remain separate for the people who have only first or second CD and i will have my 2CD edition or it's a bad idea? or is there any relationship so i could relate the second one to first?:)
      • hawke_1
        culinko: It should be a new 2-CD version.