#musicbrainz

Mais vous pouvez ajouter une neuve release

Et ajouter la ID

(si vous voulez)

je viens de le faire, et je me rend conte que je ne peux pas en profiter encore

Ooh

Vous pouvez l'utiliser maintenant

Mais elle n'est pas encore dans l'index

Vous pouvez... "drag-and-drop" la release dans Picard

has anyone had problems importing the VirtualBox MusicBrains server appliance? I get an error that I can't get around :/

mais il me propose que la release deja existante et non mon ajout

tommy_o_, what error?

hideki_, essayez de faire drag-and-drop (je ne sais pas comment dire ça in français)

'Could not find a valid medium format for the target disk'

ruaok, can you help tommy_o?

tommy_o: you should try using VMWare player instead.

okay, I'll give it a shot

its these types of bugs that makes me weary of recommending VB

*wary

*leary

ah, thanks. didn't know the difference. :)

weary = tired, wary/leary = nervous

hideki_, la release devrait apparaître sur la section drôite dans Picard

(la nouvelle release)

*leery, whoops.

lol

ah, leary is a variant

whew

I’d hate to be wrong on the Internet

you know the punishment for that. :)

ok, il faut faire un clik droit pour choisir la version de la release

Oooh, oui

ruaok: well, if you created it with vmware the bug could just as well be in vmware. vmware not being entirely compatible with virtualbox doesn't seem surprising.

J'avais oublié que on peut faire ça

:)

warp: that happened on VB created instances too.

and that speaks against what OVA is supposed to do.

ruaok: ok, then virtualbox is a crappy buggy piece of shit.

:)

I love how when you find a bug in something its automatically a piece of shit in your world.

black and white.

who needs subtleties.

very.

lol

I just learned that black and white is white and black here.

as a figure of speech?

As anything

no just that in spanish they say blanco y negro.

"blanco y negro" sounds much better than "negro y blanco"

:)

sounds racist. :)

heh

You Americans :)

spanish is more sexist, but I hadn't thought of it is racist yet.

s/is r/as r/

reosarevok: who you calling an american?

I thought we covered this before.

(but as a society, maybe)

reosarevok: the language is more sexist because it has a lot less gender-neutral words.

people have studied the order of fixed combinations like that, you know :P

Well, it has barely any

But that's because we have two language-genders and we use them

reosarevok: how much effect that has on the culture (if any) (or the other way around), I haven't studied.

(instead of half-dropping them like the English)

I wouldn't think of that as sexist grammar, but of course I'm not a philosophical linguist-feminist

(I know they exist and have that kind of ideas)

reosarevok: it's more difficult in spanish to write or speak in a gender neutral way, _I_ expect that to have an effect on culture as well.

Well, the gender-neutral-ish plural in Spain is the masculine, but 99% of women are not disturbed or annoyed by that

"gender-neutral writing" always seemed to me like a pr-ish way of writing the same with more words

+1

it's very hard to determine if establishing a separation between genders or establishing non-separation by way of choosing one gender is worse/better as that all goes

About racism... I guess it depends what you call "racism" in language. We use less euphemisms, and are much more direct with regards to race I guess

*fewer

pedant

It's very common for, say, a Chinese-born kid in a Spanish school to be called what would probably translate as "Chinky" or whatever

But it's also very unlikely for him to feel specially offended by the word

(which tends to amaze US people who see it)

As in, I've seen groups of friends where that was the nickname for the Chinese-born guy and he happily responded to it

reosarevok: ah, that seems to match with uses of gordo and flaka here.

(and presumably similar characterizations)

Probably

That happens in a lot of cultures; the important question is whether there's been a history of discrimination

reosarevok: in general, people seem to use names a lot less here. more often using words describing the family relation or some other aspect of the person referred to.

I mean, in Spain, specially in the South, is not too strange to hear friends call each other "son of a bitch" and all other kind of names friendly, too which I guess is less common in UK / US?

most cultures it's not a problem to refer to the race of a white person in that way, because, reductively, that's still not going to make the police arrest more white people overall ;)

depends on the set of people :P

ianmcorvidae: there is a lot of police racism in Spain. And there's actually quite a lot of generalised racism, too

But I guess what's not there is the history, as you said

then it may be socially acceptable to use raical slurs, but it's probably not generally okay

Unrelated: is the disambiguation field a suitable place for putting recording dates and locations even for ones which are not live? (especially for demos and generally non-album versions?)

hawke_1: no idea

hawke_1: if they disambiguate the recording compare to other versions, certainly.

reosarevok: Well, looking more for opinions here. :-)

hawke_1: I'd guess annotation for non-live stuff, unless it's truly disambiguating information

s/compare/compared/

ianmcorvidae: I'd say in general we barely have the concept of a racial slur towards blacks and asians

[21:26] *reosarevok laughs at SultS' skype name

what was it?

reosarevok: except you use lots of them? that doesn't hold up :P

ianmcorvidae, they're not considered slurs I mean

I mean, yes, it's okay to use non-derrogatory references to race, but you wouldn't translate that as "chinky", as you put it, you'd just translate it as "chinese person" :P

Grr, is it really necessary to include “person” after every !@#$ adjective?

hawke_1: nope

CatCat: it’s “Who wants free Frozen Synapse?”

If I used "fluvial person" it wouldn't work

:)

and really, you need to use person-first language: “person of chinese descent”

hawke_1: for race especially, the version without 'person' tends to be co-opted by racists, e.g. someone who says "a black" probably is just find-replacing the n-word :P

in most cases I try to avoid the extra word, but with race it's not worth getting confused :P

ianmcorvidae: my point is that it's the equivalent word to that, but it's just not seen as specially derogatory in Spanish

reosarevok: Then in what way is it equivalent?

it's not equivalent if it's not derogatory, is my point

that is the fundamental part of racial slurs, not that particular race in question :P

In the way that it is a diminutive-ish derivate from "chinese"

The fact that that becomes automatically derogatory in English has always been curious to me

it's not automatic, trust me

the diminutives come into common use because people put down a race by using them

making a given race seem smaller or more juvenile is done with a diminutive

heh

do that historically for nearly any length of time and you have a racist slur

I guess we just don't have that idea in Spanish

diminutives are also used to make nicknames in general

I mean, somehow using diminutives for a whole race sounds stupid

Diminutives for groups are less common in Spanish I guess

and if there's one chinese person and you want a nickname, there you go

reosarevok: so what would a norwegian person be called

is ther eeven racial slurs for us scandinavians?

(we have them for eachother but)

CatCat: as I said, I wouldn't really consider any of those slurs in Spanish

yea yea

CatCat: anyway, I don't know of any for Scandinavians

I'd assume they'd find your names funny enough to just use those :p

haha

in english "scanidies" might even be a slur idk, peopel take words so seriosuly

take swears for example

peopel don't take it so seriously here

but in america and brittain, ho shit it's serious son

hey, the brits are nothing like the americans when it comes to swearing!

Except on live TV :p

(or has that changed too?)

tell that to BBC entertawinment

lol, scandies

most americans aren't like the american stereotype when it comes to being anti-swearing, either :P

they blurred out and eve ncencored Torchwood

I'm not sure, I've found every single swear word I can think of on the bbc