#musicbrainz

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      • ianmcorvidae
        yeah
      • we need to figure out the style guidelines for artist countries
      • y'know, sometime
      • reosarevok
        (you could also invade the Vatican with 9-month-pregnant women, wait until some give birth and record it)
      • ianmcorvidae
        how avant-garde :P
      • reosarevok
        Yeah
      • Maybe I should mail Glenn Branca about it or something
      • kepstin-laptop notes that http://musicbrainz.org/artist/ec5a8cb7-2681-4be0-9c83-c9709f427737 is one of those annoying cases with ambiguous country - a psuedonym used for japanese releases by an originally canadian artist who now lives in japan :)
      • Or wait until Berlusconi moves there with all his lovers there to try to avoid prosecution
      • ianmcorvidae
        lol
      • oh, hm, the opera userscript will stop working with today's release, won't it
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      • reosarevok
        Which one?
      • ianmcorvidae
        I guess fixing it won't be that hard once we know what the new statistics manifest hash is, it'll just be changing that and then adding the ba_hashchange.js stuff
      • reosarevok
        Oh, an statistics one
      • ianmcorvidae
        reosarevok: the timeline graph doesn't work in opera < 10.60
      • reosarevok
        Lett nikki care about tha
      • t
      • :p
      • ianmcorvidae
        because of what parts of canvas opera supports
      • yeah, but I'm the one who originally wrote the userscript :P
      • reosarevok
        Oooh, ok
      • ianmcorvidae
        of course, it's only published in a comment on the MBS issue, but
      • reosarevok
        But it hurts your ego to link your name to a broken thing
      • Understandable
      • ianmcorvidae
        exactly :P
      • reosarevok needs to do some sport but doesn't want to run nor pay
      • on the upside, the reason it's breaking is because I implemented copyable URLs, so that at least is cool
      • reosarevok wonders if someone would exchange Spanish for… boxing, or something
      • reosarevok
        yay copyable URLS
      • ianmcorvidae
        I realize that I didn't do anything re: zoom level for copyable URLs
      • but at least in terms of which lines are showing
      • so it's easy to link to just, say, the graph with only works :P
      • reosarevok
        I imagine that one keeps going down?
      • ianmcorvidae
        yeah
      • it's gone up I think twice since NGS release
      • and both of them are such small increases it's hard to tell
      • kepstin-laptop
        It'll probably end up hooking back up after a while, like the release groups line.
      • ianmcorvidae
        probably, yeah
      • the trend has to be overall up after everything gets merged and such as it should
      • kepstin-laptop has been adding quite a few works recently
      • reosarevok too
      • looks like it took about two months with release groups, but there are many fewer works (at the moment), so it might turn around soon
      • kepstin-laptop
        yeah; the thing with release groups is that every release automatically gets one (unless it's added to an existing one)
      • MBChatLogger
        http://musicbrainz.org
      • ianmcorvidae now wishes I could just link mb.org/statistics/timeline#-artist+-label+-medium+-recording+-release to cite my sources :P
      • kepstin-laptop
        while works have to be manually created
      • ianmcorvidae
        yeah, indeed
      • only 301867 works were created at the time of NGS release, where 654814 were created when release groups were first made to exist
      • kepstin-laptop
        I have a recording that I want to link to the 'Happy Birthday' song, but with how complicated the history of that song is according to wikipedia, I didn't want to clean it up :)
      • ianmcorvidae
        haha
      • kepstin-laptop
        there's two, maybe three works in the database currently that might apply to it.
      • ianmcorvidae
        at some point I'll make works for some of my random pet artists
      • kepstin-laptop
        ianmcorvidae: I'm literally going through my collection in unicode collation order adding works for each releae I have :)
      • ianmcorvidae
        haha
      • I figure I'll leave the NGS-cleanup for my more popular artists to others
      • but stuff like http://musicbrainz.org/artist/e3610d29-f81b-451... it's me or... me
      • kepstin-laptop
        ianmcorvidae: I'm still well in 'A' right now :)
      • ianmcorvidae
        (that one already has works, though, since I added composer and lyricist stuff early, given I know all the members of the band :P)
      • haha
      • kepstin-laptop
        I got stuck on ALI PROJECT a while back and did a couple angela albums for a change.
      • ianmcorvidae
        yup
      • wonder when picard will get collection features
      • or when something will, anyway, such that I don't have to manually add 300GB of music to my mb collection :P
      • kepstin-laptop
        yeah :/
      • reosarevok
        ianmcorvidae: someone was talking here today to make something like that for FLAC
      • Of course, I don't know if it would apply to FLAC only
      • ianmcorvidae
        well, that would cover a lot of my collection, at least
      • kepstin-laptop
        wouldn't be too hard to make a perl script with mutagen that could do it with any format.
      • reosarevok
        *to make -> of making
      • kepstin-laptop
        s/perl/python*
      • reosarevok
        Oh
      • reosarevok is relieved
      • reosarevok was looking strangely at the combination of "not too hard" and "perl"
      • ianmcorvidae
        as long as you bring the picard tag mappings along
      • but that's not hard
      • kepstin-laptop
        reosarevok: I'm not that familar with python, but I know perl very well.
      • I would certainly find it easier to do in perl.
      • ianmcorvidae: I'm pretty sure the only tag that would be needed is the release MBID.
      • reosarevok speaks neither, but something that looks like Perl can't be easy
      • reosarevok
        It's like Korean or something :p
      • ianmcorvidae
        still, though, that's mapped differently in MP3 vs vorbis comments vs whatever else
      • you may only need that line of the mapping, though, that's true
      • kepstin-laptop
        reosarevok: http://perldoc.perl.org/English.html :)
      • ianmcorvidae
        at least it's not haskell, re: unreadability
      • kepstin-laptop
        well, functional languages are just tricky to wrap your head around; once you understand them, haskell's one of the more-readable
      • ianmcorvidae
        well, the problem with haskell is that it seems to _prefer_ using punctuation characters instead of actual names
      • xmonad configuration files are a great example of this
      • but in general, yeah, that is true
      • reosarevok
        Pffft
      • reosarevok should get one of this barstool chair thingies
      • kepstin-laptop
        I've actually written a well-documented clean-looking object-oriented perl application before, once :)
      • reosarevok
        My table is too high for my chair and too low for standing :(
      • ianmcorvidae
        kepstin-laptop: you should contribute more code to mb-server :P
      • promptedShift = wsgrid >>= \x -> whenJust x $ \y -> windows (W.greedyView y . W.shift y)
      • kepstin-laptop
        ianmcorvidae: I probably should, actually, but I can never seem to find the time to work on my own projects :)
      • mbserver's in git, right?
      • ianmcorvidae
        hah, fair enough
      • it is, yes
      • kepstin-laptop makes a clone on his laptop to take a peek
      • reosarevok
        kepstin-laptop: you could help review code too :)
      • reosarevok wants to think that'd take less time
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      • reosarevok is not too sure
      • Clint
        ianmcorvidae: you could make that more readable if you wanted
      • ianmcorvidae
        git://git.musicbrainz.org/musicbrainz-server.git is the url, in case you don't have it
      • kepstin-laptop
        review requires that you're familiar with the surrounding code, though
      • ianmcorvidae: google found it for me fine :)
      • ianmcorvidae
        Clint: probably, yes, but people don't seem to :P
      • fair enough XD
      • Clint
        they also prefer significant whitespace to curly braces
      • ianmcorvidae
        haskell's layout engine is great, _that_ I like
      • of course, I'm sort of coming from python, which has a baby version of significant whitespace
      • so
      • kepstin-laptop
        hmm. maybe I should go write a release editor that doesn't require javascript. That would be a nice project :)
      • ianmcorvidae
        haha
      • it would indeed
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      • ianmcorvidae makes self a ticket for adding zoom level to copyable URL stuff
      • I should decide what I'm working on this week
      • reosarevok recommends working on drugs
      • reosarevok
        Caffeine, at least
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      • ianmcorvidae
        oh, _that_ I have covered :P
      • probably I'll work on merging the legend and the checkbox-farm thing, since at the moment it's pretty nasty-looking and the checkboxes move when you click on them :P
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      • kepstin-laptop
        hmm. I suppose I'll need a local database if I want to try running the musicbrainz server locally :)
      • ianmcorvidae
        probably, yes
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      • kepstin-laptop
        what's the webservice syntax for specifying multiple inc= arguments at the same time?
      • bitmap
        inc=arg1+arg2+arg3
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      • kepstin-laptop adds that to the documentation wiki page
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      • derwin
        " Please enter the barcode of the release you are entering, " -> "Please enter the barcode of the release you are adding"
      • ?
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      • reosarevok
        I'd actually just use "Please enter the barcode of the release"
      • You might be just editing!
      • (it)
      • derwin
        yeah,department of redundancy department :)
      • reosarevok thinks MB says "please" too often
      • MBChatLogger
        http://test.musicbrainz.org
      • hawke_
        Are the relations on test.mb.org new/more correct than those in live?
      • i.e. will those relations eventually make their way to live?
      • or are they just different for no particular reason?
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      • reosarevok goes vote on stuff
      • reosarevok
        wow, Kalkbrenner? I kinda expected that to be complete…
      • derwin
        yeah, and like.. albums?? on bpitchcontrol??