#musicbrainz

heh.

man, Canada is entirely too massive.

I assume Leftmost is looking at Chicago too

Why's that, CallerNo6?

I thought that was the go to department in the US. Maybe I'm mis-remembering?

They're good. I was just curious why you made that assumption.

Or at least trying to encourage you to stay within the United States of Canada

oy.

(old joke, I know)

Leftmost: you have no algebra? what madness is this

ooh man did you see that?

my answer

CatCat, no.

Leftmost: I guess applied maths?

ocharles, all discrete.

Algebra isn't a required course for a maths degree here, and I was most interested in discrete courses.

[21:14] CatCat(imho)

[21:14] CatCatthen the original artist might make much more sense

[21:15] CatCatand in strange exceptions like the one song becomes a famous song and idk

[21:15] CatCatbut this katamari thing seems clear cut -composer making a thing and inviting lotsa guys over to sing and dance and groove

[21:16] CatCatalso for soundtracks for most games (e.g. take zelda, pokémon, etc)

[21:16] CatCata fair lot is credited to their composer

[21:17] CatCattheir*

[21:17] CatCatman i am tired now

It makes sense in some cases to credit the composer if the composer is the primary credit on the album, but the performers are credited before the composers and, in the cases where there is no performer credited, NAMCO is fronted, not the composer(s).

CatCat: Are we talking about whether the KD release should be credited to composer or various artists, or how the tracks should be credited?

hawke__, tracks.

The composer varies by track.

Leftmost: yeah, I’m familiar with the release.

but this yu guys is on most of them

and it also credits vocalists on many tracks in the main tracklist

he seems the main guy

and according to wiki too

I could see crediting the release to yu

but not all the tracks

and definitely the vocalists should be credited too

Just because the same guy composes a bunch of the tracks doesn't mean that they should automatically be credited to him, I don't think. I think the issue of primary importance is how they're credited on the album.

now that we *can* have multiple composers per track

aw my floors are callign me and my hover is glinting in the corner looking ominous and ferocious

yes

away untiltomorrow

I just think that, since the composer isn't fronted in the credits, and especially since it's not cohesive in the sense of all tracks composed by the same person, it should be credited by performer.

it should be credited to whoever the tracks are credited to (on the backcover tracklisting, or in the booklet).

Leftmost, link to release?

I'll link the edits in question. http://musicbrainz.org/edit/15652228 and http://musicbrainz.org/edit/15652247 ; there's a link to a picture of the obi/booklet in the edit linked in the comments,

in case you don't have vgmdb account: http://frob.nl/mb/2011/COCX-32760-booklet-page1...

And those are basically artist-credit level credits

The obi seems like the best source for artist credits, since the album back doesn’t have them

Obi and booklet page 1 generally agree, though the obi doesn't list composers at all.

Is there a convention in video game music in general? Is it customary to credit the composer? Or is there no real "norm"?

well, most of it is instrumental music, and is credited to the composer

it gets harder when some songs have vocals :)

usually video game soundtracks do not have much vocals, so most or all tracks are attributed to the composer.

would it be analogous to film soundtracks? some tracks are from the "score" (composer-centric) and some are songs by others ("music from the soundtrack")?

except that many of the vocal songs are often composed specifically for the game, even by the same composer as the other game music occasionally.

kepstin, I'm not sure that whether they were composed for the game or as standalone music should affect who we credit it to, though.

Leftmost: the release definitely should, we have lots of recordings credited differently depending on the release.

Though for the recordings I agree with you

Newegg sent me coffee with my hard drives.

lol

hawke__, I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying that whether songs were composed for the soundtrack or not should affect how they're listed on the tracklist?

no, he's saying that how they're listed on the soundtrack art should affect how they're listed on the tracklist. I think.

Leftmost: I’m saying that how the release displays them should affect how they’re listed on the tracklist, but not how they’re listed on the recording.

Although if they only appear on that one release, it will presumably also affect the recording

Oh.

Okay. I'm not sure how to credit the recordings. For the time being, I've only been touching tracklists and release metadata.

Leftmost, that's the analogy I was refering too. In a film soundtrack, it /would/ make a difference whether the track was composer for the film. Consider http://musicbrainz.org/release/13cfea82-daa7-43... for example.

(that might be a bad example... Angelo Badalamenti might be performing on his tracks)

kepstin, in case you haven't seen it, look at style

awesome

If we change it again anytime soon, it's going to be more like diss

we'll know it's bad once we hit the enterprise schema. we might have to cancel that a bit early and do a remake ;)

animated series? can't remember if that had a name.

yey, I've unlocked the music menu for little busters, and most of the tracks. I guess I can now start updating http://musicbrainz.org/release/71bd4d50-5024-44... with the correct track order and titles...

reordering tracks in the current release editor is really annoying tho :/

ugh

the track parser is close but no cigar...

and by the track parser, I mean copy to a real text editor, rearrange, and copy back.

and then I get a connection failed when submitting the edit.

handily, I have the new tracklist saved...

yeah, it should just have 'parse tracks' and 'close'

wow

the title of that ticket, and the contents, are two entirely different thought processes

the title is nice, but not covered at all by the description...

every time you open the track parser, isn't it showing the current state of the release? if so, the title of the ticket is just wrong...

eh?

if you open the track parser without having used it, it's empty

if you open the track parser after using it, it still has what you put in originally

no, it's filled with the current state of the release

hmm

I don't squarely remember if that was the case or not.

so that ticket title is something that i can't reproduce, and that ticket content is something that is actually a bug

I take your word for it though.

it worked fine for me when I tried it

indeed, indeed it is.

Imagine that.

is/does

fix'd

Speaking of bugs

never mind, that was the "guess case" on whole release was broken

there we go, http://musicbrainz.org/release/71bd4d50-5024-44... is now in somewhat less wrong order

amusing that the order shown in the in-game music menu and the numbering of the tracks in the music directory doesn't match.

but completely unsurprising

The first "official style guideline" template I can find is from 2009. Anybody remember if there was an earlier one?

there was probably a card in moinmoin

2009 is when we moved to mediawiki

ah. right.

Thanks. I was just looking (yet again) at the history of CSG's officialness.

2006 (if anybody was wondering) was the last official version.

haha

interesting to know

it's been de facto official for forever though, so :P

when I checked, it was official for ages until someone (accidentally?) transcluded a non-official version

Yeah, I seem to remember the CamelCase version was official and The_Underscored_One was in development (or vice versa)

a pox on the CameCaseCabal

an anthrax too!

Hey, I saw them in 1984 I think.

lowercase_with_underscores++;

All of those are dumb.

[wiki:links] when referencing an article are fine rather than contorting my title into SomethingThatIsConsistent even though the english language naturally has exceptions. Like ThingsILike

There's this wonderful thing called markup. Use it.

I'm just talking about variable names in general. :P

I stand by what I said in programming contexts too.

sigils are really not all that bad

ffs

A new look for YouTube too?

What was wrong with the old one? :(

it didn't match the rest of google