#musicbrainz

We pay commercial rates for just about everything even though we're a non-profit.

Silene is consent. ;)

Silence that is...

"As part of the free and open Echoprint music identfication system, we are making access to the song identification method be free for both non-commercial and commercial use."

that applies for echoprint

which is useless

ahh.

Well, also under the don't use for commercial use without asking, "If you are a lone developer selling advertising that is barely covering your running costs, we consider that non-commercial."

Ah, 8bitpeoples released this: http://8bitpeoples.spinshop.com/Music/details/6...

So I suspect a non-profit is also under that class.

So why doesn't echoprint use the musicbrainz db?

Please vote: http://musicbrainz.org/release/c4246788-d230-47...

Navion: it is difficult to completely rely on the ID-space of another database

Navion: for example, they have fingerprints of music that is not stored in MusicBrainz

Why http://musicbrainz.org/edit/15903788 ?

jacobbrett, German capitalizes all nouns, so I believe that edit is incorrect.

But is sounds like their db is a fraction of the size (title-wise) of MusicBrainz.

My mistake, I presumed it was all Swedish

Is it mostly NIH?

Navion: if you are considering the Echo Nest, look at ENFMP, not Echoprint

Navion: so they decided the best way for them to support MusicBrainz is to map their IDs to MusicBrainz IDs. They call it "Project Rosetta stone": http://developer.echonest.com/docs/v4/

hrglgrmpf: which they don't do for anything but artists :)

luks: didn't know :-)... but artists are the most useful I guess

I hope Jean-Fran�ois Champollion is getting royalties for all this. ;)

Pfft. The best way to do it is to use MBIDs for everything covered by MBIDs and ad hoc IDs for where it isn't. :P

Navion: I guess the most useful for your radio would be MusicBrainz artist IDs

Does that have the album and lable info?

Navion: because you can display things like official homepage, wikipedia biography, etc.

Navion: what do you mean?

hrglgrmpf, this is for royalties reporting.

Leftmost: ah, forgot :-). I'm already thinking of other stuff to do with MB...

hrglgrmpf: Well the fields that SoundExchange requires we report are start time, title, artist, album, label and length.

Navion: that is very difficult to do generally I guess if you just have the raw audio data, because the same data can appear on multiple albums? But I don't know anything about SoundExchange or royalties reporting, so you might want to ask someone else...

I figure (following Nyquest's rule) if I sample twice a minute I'll know what's playing every minute.

Navion, are you typically playing from CDs or audio files? Or LPs. Or wax cylinders.

Yes

Which?

All of the above? (Except maybe wax cylinders.)

Leftmost: Actually, we play from LP's, 78's, CD's, Automation, Prerecorded shows from other community stations. We don't always have the playlists but we always have the responsibility to report what we play. :(

Ahh, hmm.

I'm guessing SoundExchange would not be happy with "Around 3:30, we played some music for a couple minutes."

So, is Echonest a supporting developer of MusicBrainz (like Oracle/Sun is of Java)?

They only want the whole minute start time. The database should have the length of the recording, right?

Yes.

To the latter. No idea on the former.

Even if the album is mis-identified, the same artists get the royalties.

I know SoundExchange only needs the whole minute start time, that's not in question. ;)

SoundExchange is a non-profit that's set up to distribute royalties as I understand it.

Navion, I meant the question about Echonest. :)

Oops... Which question?

Oh, OK

disgracenote is evil!

I'm still a little miff'd about the whole CDDB to Gracenote thing. I spent hours typing in my music info and I haven't gotten a royalty check from them yet. ;)

lol

:(

nikki: http://musicbrainz.org/release/e278caa2-6085-4f... is also English/Latin, although Japanese characters appear in the title I guess?

hmm. but then what would a transliteration be set to?

if that's english latin, then a version with the title transliterated would be too :/

nikki: that is actually important... so the Script/Language is a property of all names on the release, not just the tracklist?

nikki: I've been doing it like that so far (checking script of all names)...

nikki: but wanted to know if I should extend it to only tracklist...

including artist names is tricky since we haven't had artist credits for that long, but I'd definitely include the release name

nikki: yes... I made a report of releases where only the artist name is in non-Latin script, and check if they need to transfered to artist credits

but what about the 麻生夏子 release?

which one?

what should be preferred here, front cover or spine?

(i.e. what's on the spine, which is how it's credited elsewhere, e.g. on the label's site and amazon)

nikki: ok!

nikki: is script Latin and language English still ok though?

(language certainly)

hi, is anyone getting 403 errors trying to access musicbrainz?

glen_: yes :-)

since today/yesterday

you need to set the user-agent...

hi glen :)

hey

I'm not glad you're not the only one

that means service is seriously impacted! ;

;P

that's true :s hope there's a fix soon :)

glen_: if you are getting 403, you need to set your User-Agent: to something meaningful

http://www.flickr.com/photos/girliemac/65080236... 403 status cat is not amused

if someones bored you can vote so i can continue cleaning up that RG http://musicbrainz.org/edit/15902353 http://musicbrainz.org/edit/15901716 http://musicbrainz.org/edit/15901394 http://musicbrainz.org/edit/15900756

glen_: what are you using that's getting 403s?

nikki: I noticed it with the bot today

you get 403 if you don't have a valid user agent set for every MB page it seems

and "Python/2.7.x" isn't a valid user-agent...

hrglgrmpf, nikki, it looks like python-musicbrainz will set the user agent to be python-musicbrainz/2.1.5

sorry for the slow reply :S

glen_: you need a custom user agent...

hrglgrmpf, do you have any links that may help me know which custom user agent to send?

hrglgrmpf, i'm searching for that at the moment

glen_: just set it to anything :-)

hrglgrmpf, oooh, custom, i see :)

like: "glens super bot 1.0 http://botwebsite";

just something that helps to identify :-)

the format isn't important it seems

they more custom the better :-)

that's good, trying now :)

hrglgrmpf: yeah, I was wondering if it's the pymb2 stuff that doesn't support setting a user agent or not

hrglgrmpf, it's working, thanks :D

nikki, pymb2 hardcodes the user agent to 'python-musicbrainz/2.1.5' where 2.1.5 is the version number

nikki, i changed the hardcoded value to something custom and it now works :)

there's a new version of pymb2 that lets you change it

but of course, we never bothered announcing it to anyone :/

ah, i'll ensure i'm on the latest version :)

Oh

We should probably tweet about that

Someone write me a tweet :p

reosarevok: can you find someone who can post on the blog? :/

nikki: there already is a blog post

hrglgrmpf: where?

and it is even mentioned on the 403 error page :-)

man, people bring my attention to a 麻生夏子 single, so now I'm obliged to clean up the works and add isrcs :)

the only thing remotely related that I can find is http://blog.musicbrainz.org/?p=1111 where someone mentions that python-musicbrainz2 doesn't support setting a user agent. I can't find anything about there being a new version out that people really need to update to

never mind, not add isrcs, they're already there. But clean up the works still :)

nikki: It says: “<h1>403 Forbidden</h1><p>Please see <a href="http://blog.musicbrainz.org/?p=839...

that doesn't mention the new version of pymb2 either

but I agree that maybe there should be a second post, now that it is strictly enforced

I could post on the blog, but I don't know what to write about specifically (if someone else does I could post it at least :P)

aww, 502...

wow, I have some files with musicbrainz_trmid tags in them :)

hmm, anybody speaks Russian/Ukrainian here :-)?

Dremora speaks Russian, dunno if he's around

hrglgrmpf: I understand/studied some, but I wouldn't say I really speak it

hmm, I try to automatically recognize Cyrillic tracklists, and noticed some have Latin characters

I'm here, what's the question?

like the word “собi”

looks like Ukrainian

the last "i" on the tracklist is written as ASCII i (U+0105)

but shouldn't it be the dotted і (U+1110)?

hmm

or is it common practise to mix Latin/Cyrillic letters if they look the same...?

it is on http://musicbrainz.org/release/3113f363-e87d-45... track 14

actually I don't know about Ukrainian. but I know for sure that all 33 Russian letters have a separate range in Unicode, even though some of them may look exactly the same like Latin characters